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		<title>By: ASDF</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASDF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are DINKS in our mid-30s and she earns a bit more than me.  I pay all the bills (mortgages, bills, credit cards, everything) and am usually left with very little at the end of every month.  She is the saver and saves all of her paycheck - so we save just over 50% of our combined income.  We use credit cards for everything, and review them to see how our spending is and if we need to slow down spending at all.  I even try to squeeze out RRSP and TFSA contributions out of my salary.

I&#039;ll call this Option I - as in I pay for everything.  

Works really well for us, but we haven&#039;t heard of anyone else doing the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are DINKS in our mid-30s and she earns a bit more than me.  I pay all the bills (mortgages, bills, credit cards, everything) and am usually left with very little at the end of every month.  She is the saver and saves all of her paycheck &#8211; so we save just over 50% of our combined income.  We use credit cards for everything, and review them to see how our spending is and if we need to slow down spending at all.  I even try to squeeze out RRSP and TFSA contributions out of my salary.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll call this Option I &#8211; as in I pay for everything.  </p>
<p>Works really well for us, but we haven&#8217;t heard of anyone else doing the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathryn
I agree with your share it all system. After 47 years together my wife and I have never had a problem with money. All accounts are joint for survivor benefits.
No arguments about money but I guess we both had a childhood in the 30&#039;s that made us recognize the value of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathryn<br />
I agree with your share it all system. After 47 years together my wife and I have never had a problem with money. All accounts are joint for survivor benefits.<br />
No arguments about money but I guess we both had a childhood in the 30&#8217;s that made us recognize the value of money.</p>
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		<title>By: LakeTown</title>
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		<dc:creator>LakeTown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our scenario keeps changing.  We were both students when we got married, so pretty much split things 50/50.  I graduated first so then my husband continued to contribute a fixed amount to the monthly expenses, and I took on any new expenses (car, gas, insurance, entertainment, cell phone, etc.)  When I went on maternity leave for a year, hubby continued his fixed contribution, and I handled everything else.  Now hubby is stay at home dad making no income, so of course I pay for everything now.
We have a joint account which the mortage and most of the house bills come out of.  Then we both have our own separate accounts which we are free to spend as we please.  Even when he is able to contribute, I am always the one who physically pays the bills.  He is pretty hands off, every once in a while I show him a budget of what is coming in and out each month as a reminder.  The arrangement probably does not make sense to most people, but he knows I will pay the bills, and what little money he has, I don&#039;t care how he spends it.  He does not ask, or worry about what I spend because he knows I have the financials under control.
The one idea I have been toying with is an allowance of sorts.  Since he is at home making no income perhaps I should give him a little cash so he does not have to ask me for $ if he wants something.  I have not even brought the discussion up yet, just thought it was interesting that it was listed in the above options.  I don&#039;t want him to feel as a child waiting for a handout every Friday.
I realize we are fortunate enough that my income can support our family of 3, so finances are not a stressor in our marriage.  Of course we have some interesting discussions about the topic and our views do differ at times.  Sometimes when I am feeling grumpy I resent that I have to carry the load, but then I remember that I value my son being able to have that extra time with his father, and I can&#039;t put a price on that.  So, we have to make a few cut backs, that is what we agreed to, and hey, I didn&#039;t marry him for the money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our scenario keeps changing.  We were both students when we got married, so pretty much split things 50/50.  I graduated first so then my husband continued to contribute a fixed amount to the monthly expenses, and I took on any new expenses (car, gas, insurance, entertainment, cell phone, etc.)  When I went on maternity leave for a year, hubby continued his fixed contribution, and I handled everything else.  Now hubby is stay at home dad making no income, so of course I pay for everything now.<br />
We have a joint account which the mortage and most of the house bills come out of.  Then we both have our own separate accounts which we are free to spend as we please.  Even when he is able to contribute, I am always the one who physically pays the bills.  He is pretty hands off, every once in a while I show him a budget of what is coming in and out each month as a reminder.  The arrangement probably does not make sense to most people, but he knows I will pay the bills, and what little money he has, I don&#8217;t care how he spends it.  He does not ask, or worry about what I spend because he knows I have the financials under control.<br />
The one idea I have been toying with is an allowance of sorts.  Since he is at home making no income perhaps I should give him a little cash so he does not have to ask me for $ if he wants something.  I have not even brought the discussion up yet, just thought it was interesting that it was listed in the above options.  I don&#8217;t want him to feel as a child waiting for a handout every Friday.<br />
I realize we are fortunate enough that my income can support our family of 3, so finances are not a stressor in our marriage.  Of course we have some interesting discussions about the topic and our views do differ at times.  Sometimes when I am feeling grumpy I resent that I have to carry the load, but then I remember that I value my son being able to have that extra time with his father, and I can&#8217;t put a price on that.  So, we have to make a few cut backs, that is what we agreed to, and hey, I didn&#8217;t marry him for the money!</p>
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		<title>By: Happily Married</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happily Married</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We use a combination of C &amp; E with our own twist added.

My husband and I (no kids)- earn approx. the same amount (some years I earn more, some years he does- but it is usually within 10% of each other). 

We each pay for different bills so that it works out to paying 50/50.  Then we make a big picture budget (i.e. if our goal is to make extra mortgage payments of 25,000 that year and also to put aside 15,000 for a renovation or travel etc, we build up those accounts based on who has the money first in their account after expenses &amp; RRSP/investment contributions are paid - we both get paid a base salary plus commission and bonuses -paid out at different times of the year which is why we have the first paid, first to contribute rule in our &quot;goal acount&quot; - the goal account doesn&#039;t always work out to be 50/50 in terms of what we each put into it every year but we don&#039;t care since it is a financial goal - not a bill).  

We pay ourselves first so whatever is left once the bills &amp; savings &amp; &quot;goal&quot; funds are paid, is up to us to spend.  We do not go over each other&#039;s spending habits. 

We have 1 joint VISA.  I pay for what I spend on the Visa and he pays for what he spends (if it was a joint purchase, then we split it). 

We have 2 joint chequing accounts. I am the leader of 1 of the accounts (the one that has my pay cheque going into it) and he leads the other (his pay cheque goes into it).  We can both see what the other is spending (so it prevents me from going on a crazy shopping spree- I need the accountability to him- it is not that he doesn&#039;t trust me- he has never questioned my account).  

Another reason we keep the accounts separate is because I personally feel rewarded by sticking to a budget- (as you may have noticed, i was not always good at budgeting and would spend more than I earned), now I know that I have self control. 

We have said that this is a temporary solution.  In another year, we are going to only have 1 joint account- it was more about teaching myself control &amp; responsibility.  I feel that I am on my way of mastering my finances.

We are each responsible for investing in our RRSPs- we each use the ETF couch potato strategy so there is no confusion over what to buy in our portfolios or when to buy either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use a combination of C &amp; E with our own twist added.</p>
<p>My husband and I (no kids)- earn approx. the same amount (some years I earn more, some years he does- but it is usually within 10% of each other). </p>
<p>We each pay for different bills so that it works out to paying 50/50.  Then we make a big picture budget (i.e. if our goal is to make extra mortgage payments of 25,000 that year and also to put aside 15,000 for a renovation or travel etc, we build up those accounts based on who has the money first in their account after expenses &amp; RRSP/investment contributions are paid &#8211; we both get paid a base salary plus commission and bonuses -paid out at different times of the year which is why we have the first paid, first to contribute rule in our &#8220;goal acount&#8221; &#8211; the goal account doesn&#8217;t always work out to be 50/50 in terms of what we each put into it every year but we don&#8217;t care since it is a financial goal &#8211; not a bill).  </p>
<p>We pay ourselves first so whatever is left once the bills &amp; savings &amp; &#8220;goal&#8221; funds are paid, is up to us to spend.  We do not go over each other&#8217;s spending habits. </p>
<p>We have 1 joint VISA.  I pay for what I spend on the Visa and he pays for what he spends (if it was a joint purchase, then we split it). </p>
<p>We have 2 joint chequing accounts. I am the leader of 1 of the accounts (the one that has my pay cheque going into it) and he leads the other (his pay cheque goes into it).  We can both see what the other is spending (so it prevents me from going on a crazy shopping spree- I need the accountability to him- it is not that he doesn&#8217;t trust me- he has never questioned my account).  </p>
<p>Another reason we keep the accounts separate is because I personally feel rewarded by sticking to a budget- (as you may have noticed, i was not always good at budgeting and would spend more than I earned), now I know that I have self control. </p>
<p>We have said that this is a temporary solution.  In another year, we are going to only have 1 joint account- it was more about teaching myself control &amp; responsibility.  I feel that I am on my way of mastering my finances.</p>
<p>We are each responsible for investing in our RRSPs- we each use the ETF couch potato strategy so there is no confusion over what to buy in our portfolios or when to buy either.</p>
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		<title>By: Cowtowngal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowtowngal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, my husband and I use Option A: the percentage system.  I know that many extol the Joint Account system and for those for whom this works, I say congratulations.  For me, I need to control the money that is left - it&#039;s emotionally tied into my base as an individual.  This has worked well for us but we are contemplating a family and the thought of living on an allowance doled out to me by my husband terrifies me.  Ah well, small steps.

I&#039;d like to comment on Option F: the Dictator System.  My friends work on a modified Dictator system.  In this situation, his salary is substantially lower ($55K to her $95K), and he controls all the money.  Rather than have even an allowance, she is admonished not to spend a penny (!).  As you say, this leads to deep resentment and she understandably has occasional spending fits where she&#039;ll spend enormous amounts on their children as a proxy to herself.  In turn, this leads to enormous levels of disparity: he has a growing collection of high-tech toys; she dresses at Superstore; her daughter at Aritzia.

I am told that this setup is her way of compensating for being more successful.

Thanks for the article - well-written and enjoyable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, my husband and I use Option A: the percentage system.  I know that many extol the Joint Account system and for those for whom this works, I say congratulations.  For me, I need to control the money that is left &#8211; it&#8217;s emotionally tied into my base as an individual.  This has worked well for us but we are contemplating a family and the thought of living on an allowance doled out to me by my husband terrifies me.  Ah well, small steps.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to comment on Option F: the Dictator System.  My friends work on a modified Dictator system.  In this situation, his salary is substantially lower ($55K to her $95K), and he controls all the money.  Rather than have even an allowance, she is admonished not to spend a penny (!).  As you say, this leads to deep resentment and she understandably has occasional spending fits where she&#8217;ll spend enormous amounts on their children as a proxy to herself.  In turn, this leads to enormous levels of disparity: he has a growing collection of high-tech toys; she dresses at Superstore; her daughter at Aritzia.</p>
<p>I am told that this setup is her way of compensating for being more successful.</p>
<p>Thanks for the article &#8211; well-written and enjoyable.</p>
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		<title>By: Elbyron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elbyron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve lived with my girlfriend for nearly 4 years, and we&#039;ve never fought over money issues. We kept one spreadsheet for expenses such as mortgage, cable, insurance, and other housing stuff. The values were updated every few months, totalled, and then split 50/50. Since I own the condo and hold these accounts, I pay the full amount of these bills. A second spreadsheet was used to record &quot;our&quot; purchases, such as groceries, restaurants, household, recreation, and vacations. Usually this is based on our credit card statements. Again, the costs are totalled and split evenly. The housing and purchase balances are added together to determine who owes who and how much. One of us then pays the other by making a payment to the other&#039;s credit card. Maybe it sounds complicated, but it worked out nicely and provided us a really good way to do our annual budgeting. It was also quite fair since our salaries are fairly similar. If our relationship were to fall apart, financial issues would be easier to sort out.

The above is in past tense because things changed when I proposed last September. As Gates pointed out, it is really a system that needs to evolve. Holding individual credit cards and bank accounts starts becoming a pain, as is keeping up the spreadsheet every month. Our first step was to apply for a new joint credit card. By combining all our spending on one card, we can accumulate points much faster. But the real benefit is expense tracking - all our purchases tracked in one place, thus providing a budgeting alternative to the spreadsheet. We only use cash or debit when absolutely neccessary, so that we know where our money is going. So far we&#039;ve just been alternating paying the credit card bill, which obviously isn&#039;t fair but we plan to merge our bank accounts anyway so it doesn&#039;t matter. 

Right now we&#039;re still in transition, making sure our old credit cards don&#039;t get any new charges, and still maintaining separate bank accounts. The goal is to eventually end up in option D. Even though I&#039;m a saver and she&#039;s a spender, reviewing the credit card statement together keeps her from blowing too much on frivilous things like a new purse every month. Yes, every purchase is scrutinized (for both of us), but this is not &quot;a nightmare&quot;, it is just a way to ensure we stay on budget. The key is to avoid criticism and blame - and don&#039;t force your partner to justify every little thing! As long as a guilty conscience can keep her spending under control, I don&#039;t think we will need to resort to option E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived with my girlfriend for nearly 4 years, and we&#8217;ve never fought over money issues. We kept one spreadsheet for expenses such as mortgage, cable, insurance, and other housing stuff. The values were updated every few months, totalled, and then split 50/50. Since I own the condo and hold these accounts, I pay the full amount of these bills. A second spreadsheet was used to record &#8220;our&#8221; purchases, such as groceries, restaurants, household, recreation, and vacations. Usually this is based on our credit card statements. Again, the costs are totalled and split evenly. The housing and purchase balances are added together to determine who owes who and how much. One of us then pays the other by making a payment to the other&#8217;s credit card. Maybe it sounds complicated, but it worked out nicely and provided us a really good way to do our annual budgeting. It was also quite fair since our salaries are fairly similar. If our relationship were to fall apart, financial issues would be easier to sort out.</p>
<p>The above is in past tense because things changed when I proposed last September. As Gates pointed out, it is really a system that needs to evolve. Holding individual credit cards and bank accounts starts becoming a pain, as is keeping up the spreadsheet every month. Our first step was to apply for a new joint credit card. By combining all our spending on one card, we can accumulate points much faster. But the real benefit is expense tracking &#8211; all our purchases tracked in one place, thus providing a budgeting alternative to the spreadsheet. We only use cash or debit when absolutely neccessary, so that we know where our money is going. So far we&#8217;ve just been alternating paying the credit card bill, which obviously isn&#8217;t fair but we plan to merge our bank accounts anyway so it doesn&#8217;t matter. </p>
<p>Right now we&#8217;re still in transition, making sure our old credit cards don&#8217;t get any new charges, and still maintaining separate bank accounts. The goal is to eventually end up in option D. Even though I&#8217;m a saver and she&#8217;s a spender, reviewing the credit card statement together keeps her from blowing too much on frivilous things like a new purse every month. Yes, every purchase is scrutinized (for both of us), but this is not &#8220;a nightmare&#8221;, it is just a way to ensure we stay on budget. The key is to avoid criticism and blame &#8211; and don&#8217;t force your partner to justify every little thing! As long as a guilty conscience can keep her spending under control, I don&#8217;t think we will need to resort to option E.</p>
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		<title>By: chococrazy</title>
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		<dc:creator>chococrazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the correction DK... that&#039;s what I meant :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction DK&#8230; that&#8217;s what I meant :)</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chococrazy,

Re post # 38, I think you mean T1213.  The T3012 is for something else entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chococrazy,</p>
<p>Re post # 38, I think you mean T1213.  The T3012 is for something else entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Oil Baron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oil Baron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>InstruMike: &quot;I have a question about TFSA’s if anyone can help me. Does the maximum amount of $5000 accumulate yearly?&quot;

Every year you can add $5000 (adjusted with inflation to the nearest $500) to your existing account, plus any amount you&#039;ve taken out in the past.   

An example:  If you put in 5000 now, and take it all out in August, you get to put in 10000 in January.  If you don&#039;t take any out, you can still add 5000 new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>InstruMike: &#8220;I have a question about TFSA’s if anyone can help me. Does the maximum amount of $5000 accumulate yearly?&#8221;</p>
<p>Every year you can add $5000 (adjusted with inflation to the nearest $500) to your existing account, plus any amount you&#8217;ve taken out in the past.   </p>
<p>An example:  If you put in 5000 now, and take it all out in August, you get to put in 10000 in January.  If you don&#8217;t take any out, you can still add 5000 new.</p>
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		<title>By: Dividend Growth Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividend Growth Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 07:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that joint accounts are the thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that joint accounts are the thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: InstruMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>InstruMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My situation would be closer to G than F. We both have &quot;allowances&quot; and as I don&#039;t make the same amount of money every payday, my allowance will vary to a point and anything left over is considered shared and will usually be put towards debt/investment or entertainment/recreation.

A follow up to amit. The house is in both of our names. The car and about half of our RSP is in her name through spousal contributions. She also has a small non-registered dividend paying investment account and is in the process of opening a TFSA.

Wealth Manager: I have also contributed $2500 per year to RESP for 2008 &amp; 2009. That government grant of 20% for each year is great. We both have our RSP&#039;s with discount online brokerages (Credential Direct) and I have a maxed TFSA (ING) which I use as a combined emergency fund/savings account. My mortgage is up for renewal in July and I&#039;m considering starting the Smith Manoeuver (I&#039;ve read the book) for a non-registered investment account but haven&#039;t completely made up my mind yet.

I have a question about TFSA&#039;s if anyone can help me. Does the maximum amount of $5000 accumulate yearly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My situation would be closer to G than F. We both have &#8220;allowances&#8221; and as I don&#8217;t make the same amount of money every payday, my allowance will vary to a point and anything left over is considered shared and will usually be put towards debt/investment or entertainment/recreation.</p>
<p>A follow up to amit. The house is in both of our names. The car and about half of our RSP is in her name through spousal contributions. She also has a small non-registered dividend paying investment account and is in the process of opening a TFSA.</p>
<p>Wealth Manager: I have also contributed $2500 per year to RESP for 2008 &amp; 2009. That government grant of 20% for each year is great. We both have our RSP&#8217;s with discount online brokerages (Credential Direct) and I have a maxed TFSA (ING) which I use as a combined emergency fund/savings account. My mortgage is up for renewal in July and I&#8217;m considering starting the Smith Manoeuver (I&#8217;ve read the book) for a non-registered investment account but haven&#8217;t completely made up my mind yet.</p>
<p>I have a question about TFSA&#8217;s if anyone can help me. Does the maximum amount of $5000 accumulate yearly?</p>
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		<title>By: Wealth Manager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wealth Manager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have person/joint bank accounts, investment accounts and credit cards.

Individual paychecks into personal accounts (employer requirement; we both work for FI&#039;s) and we keep $100/paycheck each for &quot;whatever we want&quot; and the remainder all goes into the joint account. The joint account covers food, mortgage, bills, clothing etc. The personal accounts get used mostly for gifts and personal items which we deem outside the norm for joint money use (have never had an argument about this last point in 8 years of marriage so far! Many cases we use a &quot;top up&quot; approach so only some personal money is used). 

We each have individual credit cards for those gifts and personal items mentioned above while the joint credit card is used for virtually everything we can put on it (for the points, purchase security, and additional warranty) and pay out of the joint account (balance paid off monthly).

We also have individual investment accounts - primarily due to ease of transfer in/out of personal/joint accounts but also to make tax reporting a little easier (less of a headache than 60/40 splitting gains and such). As well as these, we have brokerage based RRSP accounts, TFSA accounts and a joint family RESP account for the children. 

The only area we could improve upon is non-RRSP/non-TFSA investment account contributing. As my wife and I are roughly 60/40 in salary, the &quot;higher income earner paying the bills&quot; as noted above would be slightly more tax efficient. Then again, with the TFSA now being an option, this isn&#039;t going to be that big of an issue since we really won&#039;t have much at all left over for standard investment accounts after maxing RRSP&#039;s, the RESP and TFSA&#039;s!! Accomplishing all that is a feat in itself.

Excellent thread here - really enjoyed reading all of these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have person/joint bank accounts, investment accounts and credit cards.</p>
<p>Individual paychecks into personal accounts (employer requirement; we both work for FI&#8217;s) and we keep $100/paycheck each for &#8220;whatever we want&#8221; and the remainder all goes into the joint account. The joint account covers food, mortgage, bills, clothing etc. The personal accounts get used mostly for gifts and personal items which we deem outside the norm for joint money use (have never had an argument about this last point in 8 years of marriage so far! Many cases we use a &#8220;top up&#8221; approach so only some personal money is used). </p>
<p>We each have individual credit cards for those gifts and personal items mentioned above while the joint credit card is used for virtually everything we can put on it (for the points, purchase security, and additional warranty) and pay out of the joint account (balance paid off monthly).</p>
<p>We also have individual investment accounts &#8211; primarily due to ease of transfer in/out of personal/joint accounts but also to make tax reporting a little easier (less of a headache than 60/40 splitting gains and such). As well as these, we have brokerage based RRSP accounts, TFSA accounts and a joint family RESP account for the children. </p>
<p>The only area we could improve upon is non-RRSP/non-TFSA investment account contributing. As my wife and I are roughly 60/40 in salary, the &#8220;higher income earner paying the bills&#8221; as noted above would be slightly more tax efficient. Then again, with the TFSA now being an option, this isn&#8217;t going to be that big of an issue since we really won&#8217;t have much at all left over for standard investment accounts after maxing RRSP&#8217;s, the RESP and TFSA&#8217;s!! Accomplishing all that is a feat in itself.</p>
<p>Excellent thread here &#8211; really enjoyed reading all of these.</p>
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		<title>By: Gates VP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gates VP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for elucidating the steps. However, all of these points are actually just stages in the evolution of a system.

At the end of the day, the law requires that 50% belongs to each party. So the joint account is that natural evolution of any married system. All long-term couples end up at &lt;b&gt;(D)&lt;/b&gt;, if not mentally then at least legally.

But look at it from the start to see the evolution.

The simplest method is &lt;b&gt;(B), separation&lt;/b&gt;.  &quot;You take these, I take those&quot;.  But the method has no long-term staying power. The bills will change, needs against those bills will change. Plus, most couples move into a big purchase at some point, and this is not really &quot;split-friendly&quot;. &lt;i&gt;&quot;I pay the mortgage, you pay the car&quot;&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t really scale when you need a second car or a big repair comes around. So it inevitably leads to...

&lt;b&gt;(C), 50/50 split&lt;/b&gt;. Now, the couple simply have to agree on the bills and then they both dump money in the pot. This is easier, it&#039;s not &lt;i&gt;&quot;my car&quot;&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;&quot;your groceries&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s &lt;i&gt;&quot;our&quot;&lt;/i&gt; stuff.  Of course, now that we&#039;re both paying for &lt;i&gt;&quot;our&quot;&lt;/i&gt; stuff together, it&#039;s time for...

&lt;b&gt;(E), joint and personal accounts&lt;/b&gt;.  Now we can manage our own finances and let the partner help manage the &quot;group finances&quot;.  Of course, the 50/50 split that we&#039;re using to manage will inevitably break down. Stay together long enough and someone is going to get a bigger raise, lose a job, go back to school or have a kid.  This inevitably leads to ...

&lt;b&gt;(A), percentage split&lt;/b&gt;.

Now, one of two things happens. By this point, the couple are typically married (or equivalent to married). Whether by common-law, child-bearing or actual marriage. (All of which basically imply that resources are now shared equally)

Once you&#039;re into the equal sharing of resources, then the notion of &lt;b&gt;(E)&lt;/b&gt; becomes kind of futile.  So you slowly start drifting towards &lt;b&gt;(D)&lt;/b&gt;. You become joint on each other&#039;s accounts, you close the extraneous accounts and you start moving money together.

The only real problem that remains is that you don&#039;t like how your partner spends &quot;your&quot; money. Couples inevitably disagree on discretionary purchases.  So that&#039;s when you get to option...

&lt;b&gt;(G) - Joint accounts and &quot;Adult Allowances&quot;&lt;/b&gt;. 
It&#039;s kind of like &lt;b&gt;(D)&lt;/b&gt; because all of the money is shared. 
It can technically be done without separate accounts (just cash). But really, post marriage, the &quot;separate accounts&quot; are nothing but a convenience, a personal piggy bank.

But AFAIK, this is the end of the line for partners.

Everything is still shared, but couples get to fund their own hobbies from their &quot;personal spending&quot;.  It makes &quot;taking out your partner&quot; into something really special.  B/c you&#039;re actually sacrificing your money for the week.

Thanks for the great post.  I would like to propose that &lt;b&gt;(G)&lt;/b&gt; be added to the list :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for elucidating the steps. However, all of these points are actually just stages in the evolution of a system.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the law requires that 50% belongs to each party. So the joint account is that natural evolution of any married system. All long-term couples end up at <b>(D)</b>, if not mentally then at least legally.</p>
<p>But look at it from the start to see the evolution.</p>
<p>The simplest method is <b>(B), separation</b>.  &#8220;You take these, I take those&#8221;.  But the method has no long-term staying power. The bills will change, needs against those bills will change. Plus, most couples move into a big purchase at some point, and this is not really &#8220;split-friendly&#8221;. <i>&#8220;I pay the mortgage, you pay the car&#8221;</i> doesn&#8217;t really scale when you need a second car or a big repair comes around. So it inevitably leads to&#8230;</p>
<p><b>(C), 50/50 split</b>. Now, the couple simply have to agree on the bills and then they both dump money in the pot. This is easier, it&#8217;s not <i>&#8220;my car&#8221;</i> and <i>&#8220;your groceries&#8221;</i>. It&#8217;s <i>&#8220;our&#8221;</i> stuff.  Of course, now that we&#8217;re both paying for <i>&#8220;our&#8221;</i> stuff together, it&#8217;s time for&#8230;</p>
<p><b>(E), joint and personal accounts</b>.  Now we can manage our own finances and let the partner help manage the &#8220;group finances&#8221;.  Of course, the 50/50 split that we&#8217;re using to manage will inevitably break down. Stay together long enough and someone is going to get a bigger raise, lose a job, go back to school or have a kid.  This inevitably leads to &#8230;</p>
<p><b>(A), percentage split</b>.</p>
<p>Now, one of two things happens. By this point, the couple are typically married (or equivalent to married). Whether by common-law, child-bearing or actual marriage. (All of which basically imply that resources are now shared equally)</p>
<p>Once you&#8217;re into the equal sharing of resources, then the notion of <b>(E)</b> becomes kind of futile.  So you slowly start drifting towards <b>(D)</b>. You become joint on each other&#8217;s accounts, you close the extraneous accounts and you start moving money together.</p>
<p>The only real problem that remains is that you don&#8217;t like how your partner spends &#8220;your&#8221; money. Couples inevitably disagree on discretionary purchases.  So that&#8217;s when you get to option&#8230;</p>
<p><b>(G) &#8211; Joint accounts and &#8220;Adult Allowances&#8221;</b>.<br />
It&#8217;s kind of like <b>(D)</b> because all of the money is shared.<br />
It can technically be done without separate accounts (just cash). But really, post marriage, the &#8220;separate accounts&#8221; are nothing but a convenience, a personal piggy bank.</p>
<p>But AFAIK, this is the end of the line for partners.</p>
<p>Everything is still shared, but couples get to fund their own hobbies from their &#8220;personal spending&#8221;.  It makes &#8220;taking out your partner&#8221; into something really special.  B/c you&#8217;re actually sacrificing your money for the week.</p>
<p>Thanks for the great post.  I would like to propose that <b>(G)</b> be added to the list :)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We use E, only in reverse..  All our income and such is deposited into our own personal accounts. We then have a joint account for all expenses and shared purchases. An equal amount is transferred automatically from our personal accounts to the joint account after each payperiod (every 2 weeks).

Whenever the bills exceed what is available in the joint account, (or there is a big purchase), we each transfer over an additional amount sufficient to handle it.  Been doing this for 11 years now and it works pretty well for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use E, only in reverse..  All our income and such is deposited into our own personal accounts. We then have a joint account for all expenses and shared purchases. An equal amount is transferred automatically from our personal accounts to the joint account after each payperiod (every 2 weeks).</p>
<p>Whenever the bills exceed what is available in the joint account, (or there is a big purchase), we each transfer over an additional amount sufficient to handle it.  Been doing this for 11 years now and it works pretty well for us.</p>
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		<title>By: amit</title>
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		<dc:creator>amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my close friends used Option F, and when he died last month, his wife is in a mess. None of the bank accounts were joint accounts, none of the properties had her name on it. She is going through a hell of a time, especially in a place like India where the beurocracy is pretty strong, and every bank or police official expects a bribe to do your work. She still hasn&#039;t received the insurance money, there is a long list of lenders on her door and since she was kept out of the household finances she doesn&#039;t even have access to any of their savings funds. Truly an eye-opening situation.

I wish people take care of their finances by giving a sound thought about what&#039;s going to happen should one of the couples die unexpectedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my close friends used Option F, and when he died last month, his wife is in a mess. None of the bank accounts were joint accounts, none of the properties had her name on it. She is going through a hell of a time, especially in a place like India where the beurocracy is pretty strong, and every bank or police official expects a bribe to do your work. She still hasn&#8217;t received the insurance money, there is a long list of lenders on her door and since she was kept out of the household finances she doesn&#8217;t even have access to any of their savings funds. Truly an eye-opening situation.</p>
<p>I wish people take care of their finances by giving a sound thought about what&#8217;s going to happen should one of the couples die unexpectedly.</p>
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		<title>By: amit</title>
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		<dc:creator>amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We use Option D for all practical purposes and a variation of option E for tax purposes. So, for all practical purposes, what&#039;s mine is hers and vice-versa. But, when it comes to calculate taxes, all our savings are on her account, as she is the lower-earning spouse, and all expenses are mine. So, her salary goes directly into her savings account, while all our expenses (mortgage, groceries, credit card bills, car loans, etc. come out of my account). Of course, since none of our expenses are tax-deductible at the moment, none of this matters, but should I (the higher-income spouse) die, this will matter, and she won&#039;t have to pay much taxes from what&#039;s owned by me - my savings account will be very less, while her savings account will have all our savings.

Every asset that we own is owned by both of us jointly - car, home, rental property. Both of us have life insurances - for me it&#039;s a higher amount as she would need more to supplement my income.

Should she start earning more than me - could happen from this year due to our jointly owned business, this will change, and we will shift to being 100% option D and all expenses will come out of joint account, while all our savings accounts will be converted to joint accounts.

We have been happily married for 9.25 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use Option D for all practical purposes and a variation of option E for tax purposes. So, for all practical purposes, what&#8217;s mine is hers and vice-versa. But, when it comes to calculate taxes, all our savings are on her account, as she is the lower-earning spouse, and all expenses are mine. So, her salary goes directly into her savings account, while all our expenses (mortgage, groceries, credit card bills, car loans, etc. come out of my account). Of course, since none of our expenses are tax-deductible at the moment, none of this matters, but should I (the higher-income spouse) die, this will matter, and she won&#8217;t have to pay much taxes from what&#8217;s owned by me &#8211; my savings account will be very less, while her savings account will have all our savings.</p>
<p>Every asset that we own is owned by both of us jointly &#8211; car, home, rental property. Both of us have life insurances &#8211; for me it&#8217;s a higher amount as she would need more to supplement my income.</p>
<p>Should she start earning more than me &#8211; could happen from this year due to our jointly owned business, this will change, and we will shift to being 100% option D and all expenses will come out of joint account, while all our savings accounts will be converted to joint accounts.</p>
<p>We have been happily married for 9.25 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the posts asked about age so my wife and I are 31 and been together for about 12 years.  When we first moved in together we had separate accounts and rent and bills were split 50/50.  At the time we were both going to school full time so it made sense.  Shortly after this arrangement we opened a joint account (PC Financial is great when you are a student!), and put our 50/50 bills into this account.  My parents always argued about money because they had separate accounts and certain bills each would pay.  With four kids this setup did not work well so I vowed to myself that I would not do it this way.

Fortunately for me my wife is also good with her money so we kept our individual accounts from university and put all our money into the joint account and &#039;paid&#039; ourselves an allownace no matter who made the most money.

The setup has worked great since although sometimes I need to be reminded to open up the purse strings because we can afford the things we want every once in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the posts asked about age so my wife and I are 31 and been together for about 12 years.  When we first moved in together we had separate accounts and rent and bills were split 50/50.  At the time we were both going to school full time so it made sense.  Shortly after this arrangement we opened a joint account (PC Financial is great when you are a student!), and put our 50/50 bills into this account.  My parents always argued about money because they had separate accounts and certain bills each would pay.  With four kids this setup did not work well so I vowed to myself that I would not do it this way.</p>
<p>Fortunately for me my wife is also good with her money so we kept our individual accounts from university and put all our money into the joint account and &#8216;paid&#8217; ourselves an allownace no matter who made the most money.</p>
<p>The setup has worked great since although sometimes I need to be reminded to open up the purse strings because we can afford the things we want every once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: chococrazy</title>
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		<dc:creator>chococrazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nobleea: If we&#039;re talking about income tax withheld by the employer - the lower income earner can fill out a T3012 and prove to the employer that he/she makes regular RSP contributions.  Less tax will be held on his/her pay cheques, meaning less of a tax refund. IF there is a balance owing, the higher-earning income spouse should pay the tax man - leaving more money for the lower earner to invest (taxed at a lower bracket). I think that&#039;s what Tax Resource meant by that. It&#039;s true that there&#039;s no way for the higher earner to pay for ALL the income tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobleea: If we&#8217;re talking about income tax withheld by the employer &#8211; the lower income earner can fill out a T3012 and prove to the employer that he/she makes regular RSP contributions.  Less tax will be held on his/her pay cheques, meaning less of a tax refund. IF there is a balance owing, the higher-earning income spouse should pay the tax man &#8211; leaving more money for the lower earner to invest (taxed at a lower bracket). I think that&#8217;s what Tax Resource meant by that. It&#8217;s true that there&#8217;s no way for the higher earner to pay for ALL the income tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Mountain Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mountain Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We use option &quot;E&quot; .  I like to build up my slush fund over a few months and buy something big, and she likes to buy a lot of smaller things.  It works great for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use option &#8220;E&#8221; .  I like to build up my slush fund over a few months and buy something big, and she likes to buy a lot of smaller things.  It works great for us.</p>
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		<title>By: nobleea</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobleea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;d the higher income spouse pay the bills, including the taxes of the lower income spouse. This will ensure more income is taxed in the lower income spouses’ hands.&quot;

I don&#039;t understand this comment. Isn&#039;t it just semantics?  The lower income spouse can&#039;t get their employer to stop taking off ALL taxes.  How does it ensure more income is taxed in the lower income spouse&#039;s hands? I mean, I can understand gains from the investments, but that&#039;s not going to be much compared to the regular taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;d the higher income spouse pay the bills, including the taxes of the lower income spouse. This will ensure more income is taxed in the lower income spouses’ hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand this comment. Isn&#8217;t it just semantics?  The lower income spouse can&#8217;t get their employer to stop taking off ALL taxes.  How does it ensure more income is taxed in the lower income spouse&#8217;s hands? I mean, I can understand gains from the investments, but that&#8217;s not going to be much compared to the regular taxes.</p>
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