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		<title>By: thatdaveguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>thatdaveguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could live using just using EI in the first year, barely dipping into my savings at all.

I live in a small city, so I&#039;d dump my car and minimize all my other costs. I could last about 41 months including my retirement assets.

If I counted the buyout my company is currently offering to get rid of employees, I could last 66 months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could live using just using EI in the first year, barely dipping into my savings at all.</p>
<p>I live in a small city, so I&#8217;d dump my car and minimize all my other costs. I could last about 41 months including my retirement assets.</p>
<p>If I counted the buyout my company is currently offering to get rid of employees, I could last 66 months.</p>
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		<title>By: WP</title>
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		<dc:creator>WP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it was in one of Robert Kiyosaki&#039;s books that I first came across this subject.  The way that he proposed it, was that a persons wealth can be measured by how long they can survive financially without working.  At this point, my savings won&#039;t last nearly long enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it was in one of Robert Kiyosaki&#8217;s books that I first came across this subject.  The way that he proposed it, was that a persons wealth can be measured by how long they can survive financially without working.  At this point, my savings won&#8217;t last nearly long enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Debt Consolidation Regina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debt Consolidation Regina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article with very helpful insight on how important it is to do an emergency fund analysis such as the one you have provided. Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article with very helpful insight on how important it is to do an emergency fund analysis such as the one you have provided. Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: mp</title>
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		<dc:creator>mp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops.  And I also forgot to mention, if you are self-employed, or got laid-off from your job last year and got conned into &quot;going into business for yourself&quot;, you are totally out of luck with respect to EI.  I know of many people who lost their jobs last year (after years of paying into EI), tried their hands at consulting or going into business for themselves, didn&#039;t make it and have tried to apply for EI and of course cannot qualify at all now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.  And I also forgot to mention, if you are self-employed, or got laid-off from your job last year and got conned into &#8220;going into business for yourself&#8221;, you are totally out of luck with respect to EI.  I know of many people who lost their jobs last year (after years of paying into EI), tried their hands at consulting or going into business for themselves, didn&#8217;t make it and have tried to apply for EI and of course cannot qualify at all now.</p>
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		<title>By: mp</title>
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		<dc:creator>mp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck getting EI after 4 weeks - budget for minimum 8 weeks wait.  Stephen Harper&#039;s government has failed to recognize the severity of this recession so consequentially has failed to staff up the department responsible for processing claims.  Then factor in you&#039;ll be required to exhaust any severance before you can even begin to receive EI.  

Other factors to consider - if your employer convinced you to scale back your hours of work to prevent layoffs in your workplace, and your employer didn&#039;t apply for the EI workshare program, then your employer has just screwed you out of full EI benefits (up to just under $450 a week).  That&#039;s because your EI benefit will be calculated on the number of hours you work, based on your last weeks of employment, not your best weeks. 

Finally, if you live in an area of previously low unemployment, the duration of your benefits will be a lot lower than if you live in an area of high unemployment - because it takes a while for the rate to recalculate and improve benefits in your area.  The duration of benefits depends on the unemployment rate where you live.  Thus if you lose your job in Calgary, you&#039;re likely to get only 19 weeks of unemployment benefits but if you lose your job in Acadie New Brunswick, you will get about 50 weeks of benefits.

Thank your conservative government for not changing this unfair regional disparity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck getting EI after 4 weeks &#8211; budget for minimum 8 weeks wait.  Stephen Harper&#8217;s government has failed to recognize the severity of this recession so consequentially has failed to staff up the department responsible for processing claims.  Then factor in you&#8217;ll be required to exhaust any severance before you can even begin to receive EI.  </p>
<p>Other factors to consider &#8211; if your employer convinced you to scale back your hours of work to prevent layoffs in your workplace, and your employer didn&#8217;t apply for the EI workshare program, then your employer has just screwed you out of full EI benefits (up to just under $450 a week).  That&#8217;s because your EI benefit will be calculated on the number of hours you work, based on your last weeks of employment, not your best weeks. </p>
<p>Finally, if you live in an area of previously low unemployment, the duration of your benefits will be a lot lower than if you live in an area of high unemployment &#8211; because it takes a while for the rate to recalculate and improve benefits in your area.  The duration of benefits depends on the unemployment rate where you live.  Thus if you lose your job in Calgary, you&#8217;re likely to get only 19 weeks of unemployment benefits but if you lose your job in Acadie New Brunswick, you will get about 50 weeks of benefits.</p>
<p>Thank your conservative government for not changing this unfair regional disparity.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind feedback RoadtoMeaning.  Feel free to ask questions as the community members here are both considerate and knowledgeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind feedback RoadtoMeaning.  Feel free to ask questions as the community members here are both considerate and knowledgeable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do this kind of calculations about once a month to be &quot;on top of things&quot;. Current estimate is that if i loose my job and start to live through my savings, it will take approximately 6-8 years before they run out. My monthly living costs are less than $1000 a month so that is easy to cover. Unemployment insurance lasts for 2-3 years in Finland and it will be in my case almost $2000 so I can easily keep on saving money for first couple of years. And I have zero debt so I really don&#039;t need to worry about anything related that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do this kind of calculations about once a month to be &#8220;on top of things&#8221;. Current estimate is that if i loose my job and start to live through my savings, it will take approximately 6-8 years before they run out. My monthly living costs are less than $1000 a month so that is easy to cover. Unemployment insurance lasts for 2-3 years in Finland and it will be in my case almost $2000 so I can easily keep on saving money for first couple of years. And I have zero debt so I really don&#8217;t need to worry about anything related that.</p>
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		<title>By: TheRoadtoMeaning</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheRoadtoMeaning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I have been browsing this website for months without ever commenting but have decided to today. Frugal Trader, your articles are excellent and have been a great educational tool for me.

28 months is a very impressive time frame to be without work and not dipping into retirement funds or gaining any extra debt. I am now aggressively building an emergency fund in case an event like this would ever happen to me in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I have been browsing this website for months without ever commenting but have decided to today. Frugal Trader, your articles are excellent and have been a great educational tool for me.</p>
<p>28 months is a very impressive time frame to be without work and not dipping into retirement funds or gaining any extra debt. I am now aggressively building an emergency fund in case an event like this would ever happen to me in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TMW - thanks for the info - very interesting.

So I was wrong about the clawback, although in my defence the last two times I was on EI I didn&#039;t get clawed back because I was part of the &quot;exception&quot; group (receiving parental benefits).

However, it also says &quot;you received less than 1 week of regular or fishing benefits in the preceding 10 taxation years;&quot; as an exception.  This would imply that someone who hasn&#039;t collected EI in 10 years wouldn&#039;t face the clawback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TMW &#8211; thanks for the info &#8211; very interesting.</p>
<p>So I was wrong about the clawback, although in my defence the last two times I was on EI I didn&#8217;t get clawed back because I was part of the &#8220;exception&#8221; group (receiving parental benefits).</p>
<p>However, it also says &#8220;you received less than 1 week of regular or fishing benefits in the preceding 10 taxation years;&#8221; as an exception.  This would imply that someone who hasn&#8217;t collected EI in 10 years wouldn&#8217;t face the clawback.</p>
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		<title>By: Thicken My Wallet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thicken My Wallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok- found the clawback section:

http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/information/repayment_2009.shtml

So, there is a clawback but when you file your tax returns and any severance counts against EI earnings since severance is taxable income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok- found the clawback section:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/information/repayment_2009.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/information/repayment_2009.shtml</a></p>
<p>So, there is a clawback but when you file your tax returns and any severance counts against EI earnings since severance is taxable income.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was an excellent post with some great information. We published some information on this topic too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an excellent post with some great information. We published some information on this topic too.</p>
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		<title>By: Theory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my experience, any severance payments count against EI earnings, straight up. So if you get 1 month severance, that&#039;s not just one month of EI, that&#039;s no EI until the amount you would have received from EI totals the amount you got from the severance.

Say you get 400 a week, and got 4000 severance. That&#039;s 10 weeks before you get an EI payment. I received an EI cheque for $1 one time because of this.

They may have changed this since I was last unemployed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my experience, any severance payments count against EI earnings, straight up. So if you get 1 month severance, that&#8217;s not just one month of EI, that&#8217;s no EI until the amount you would have received from EI totals the amount you got from the severance.</p>
<p>Say you get 400 a week, and got 4000 severance. That&#8217;s 10 weeks before you get an EI payment. I received an EI cheque for $1 one time because of this.</p>
<p>They may have changed this since I was last unemployed.</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobleea - Sorry, I meant if you got laid off from your full time job but had a small business on the side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobleea &#8211; Sorry, I meant if you got laid off from your full time job but had a small business on the side.</p>
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		<title>By: nobleea</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobleea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FP: &quot;One thing I’m curious about is what if you own a small business and get laid off - can you “not pay yourself” for a while in order to get EI?&quot;

How would you lay yourself off? Is that even possible?

I think you can earn something like $50 a week and still be fine for EI payments. Any dollar over that gets subtracted from your EI payment. Or maybe it&#039;s $150 a week. Not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FP: &#8220;One thing I’m curious about is what if you own a small business and get laid off &#8211; can you “not pay yourself” for a while in order to get EI?&#8221;</p>
<p>How would you lay yourself off? Is that even possible?</p>
<p>I think you can earn something like $50 a week and still be fine for EI payments. Any dollar over that gets subtracted from your EI payment. Or maybe it&#8217;s $150 a week. Not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TMW - I don&#039;t believe there is any clawback for EI in terms of total income.  Are you talking about money earned for that year?  Ie if you make $70k through to Sept, get laid off - do you still get EI?  I&#039;m pretty sure the answer is yes.

I don&#039;t know how severance affects EI - I would assume they calculate a time period that the severance would cover and then start your EI at that time?  Ie if you get laid off on Jan 1 and get 6 months severance then you wouldn&#039;t get EI until July.

I do know there is some sort of clawback for money earned while you  are collecting ei.  I can&#039;t remember the formula.  One thing I&#039;m curious about is what if you own a small business and get laid off - can you &quot;not pay yourself&quot; for a while in order to get EI?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TMW &#8211; I don&#8217;t believe there is any clawback for EI in terms of total income.  Are you talking about money earned for that year?  Ie if you make $70k through to Sept, get laid off &#8211; do you still get EI?  I&#8217;m pretty sure the answer is yes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how severance affects EI &#8211; I would assume they calculate a time period that the severance would cover and then start your EI at that time?  Ie if you get laid off on Jan 1 and get 6 months severance then you wouldn&#8217;t get EI until July.</p>
<p>I do know there is some sort of clawback for money earned while you  are collecting ei.  I can&#8217;t remember the formula.  One thing I&#8217;m curious about is what if you own a small business and get laid off &#8211; can you &#8220;not pay yourself&#8221; for a while in order to get EI?</p>
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		<title>By: Thicken My Wallet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thicken My Wallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you eligible for EI if you are already over the clawback threshold or do you receive it and its a dollar for dollar clawback later?

Stats Canada found that an unemployed person typically takes 15-26 weeks to find a new job. So, to be safe, you should aim to cover expenses for about 30 weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you eligible for EI if you are already over the clawback threshold or do you receive it and its a dollar for dollar clawback later?</p>
<p>Stats Canada found that an unemployed person typically takes 15-26 weeks to find a new job. So, to be safe, you should aim to cover expenses for about 30 weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nobleea, good point!  I should have said &quot;without going into any &lt;i&gt;additional&lt;/i&gt; debt&quot;

I believe that you are correct in saying that there is a 2 week waiting period but from my experience, it has taken at least 4 weeks to receive it.  I could have accounted for the 2 week retro, which would pay for a little less than 1/2 months expenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobleea, good point!  I should have said &#8220;without going into any <i>additional</i> debt&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that you are correct in saying that there is a 2 week waiting period but from my experience, it has taken at least 4 weeks to receive it.  I could have accounted for the 2 week retro, which would pay for a little less than 1/2 months expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: nobleea</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobleea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT, you say you could liquidate your non reg portfolio if need be and not go in to debt. But 45K of it is leveraged, so I would say you could only liquidate 15K of it and not go in to debt.

I thought there was only a 2 week waiting period of EI? I mean, it could take a couple months for the first cheque to show up, but they would pay retro from after the 2wk waiting period.

If you&#039;re going to be out of work for 6 months or more, I think you could count on a nice tax return from the previous year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT, you say you could liquidate your non reg portfolio if need be and not go in to debt. But 45K of it is leveraged, so I would say you could only liquidate 15K of it and not go in to debt.</p>
<p>I thought there was only a 2 week waiting period of EI? I mean, it could take a couple months for the first cheque to show up, but they would pay retro from after the 2wk waiting period.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to be out of work for 6 months or more, I think you could count on a nice tax return from the previous year.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, our EI fund is actually overflowing with money (the last time I checked).  We contribute almost 4% (up to $42k) when combining the employee and employer contributions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, our EI fund is actually overflowing with money (the last time I checked).  We contribute almost 4% (up to $42k) when combining the employee and employer contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Zussino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Zussino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was interesting reading about the EI benefits. I am still wondering how our country can afford all these EI payouts but there are so many people out there that don&#039;t ever use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was interesting reading about the EI benefits. I am still wondering how our country can afford all these EI payouts but there are so many people out there that don&#8217;t ever use it.</p>
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