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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/upcoming-tax-free-savings-accounts-tfsa.htm/comment-page-2#comment-119033</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nevermind, apparently these types of &quot;abuses&quot; were rectified in new amendments last year. I bet there are some people out there who made a killing doing this before the new rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind, apparently these types of &#8220;abuses&#8221; were rectified in new amendments last year. I bet there are some people out there who made a killing doing this before the new rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a question more appropriate for this area:

I&#039;m sure that other people have thought of this and it is illegal in some way, under the GAAR probably? Anyway... TFSA&#039;s have an over contribution charge of 1% per month I believe. 
Scenario: It&#039;s December 1st, option expiry is December 16th, there is a stock at $20, with call options going for 1.00 at the 20 dollar strike. You deposit 50,000 in your TFSA, buy 2500 shares, sell covered calls to get 2500 dollars. The next trading day after expiry, you withdraw the 50,000 (assuming the stock hasnt moved lower, humor me) plus the 2500 in premiums. 

The result is:
a. You walk away with 2500 dollars?
b. You walk away with 2500 dollars less 500 dollars for the 1% overcontribution charge?
c. You walk to court because the CRA is after you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question more appropriate for this area:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that other people have thought of this and it is illegal in some way, under the GAAR probably? Anyway&#8230; TFSA&#8217;s have an over contribution charge of 1% per month I believe.<br />
Scenario: It&#8217;s December 1st, option expiry is December 16th, there is a stock at $20, with call options going for 1.00 at the 20 dollar strike. You deposit 50,000 in your TFSA, buy 2500 shares, sell covered calls to get 2500 dollars. The next trading day after expiry, you withdraw the 50,000 (assuming the stock hasnt moved lower, humor me) plus the 2500 in premiums. </p>
<p>The result is:<br />
a. You walk away with 2500 dollars?<br />
b. You walk away with 2500 dollars less 500 dollars for the 1% overcontribution charge?<br />
c. You walk to court because the CRA is after you?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appologize, that question is probably better suited for the smith manouver page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appologize, that question is probably better suited for the smith manouver page.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, gotcha, that does make sense, too bad though. So how does it work when you are doing your taxes, in order to deduct the interest, do you only have to show that you have deposited the amount from the loan in a trading account? For arguments sake, say my starting HELOC is 50,000, but throughout the year I have 40,000 in cash and only ever use 10,000 to buy stock. Is the interest on the full 50,000 deductible or only 10,000?

TIA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, gotcha, that does make sense, too bad though. So how does it work when you are doing your taxes, in order to deduct the interest, do you only have to show that you have deposited the amount from the loan in a trading account? For arguments sake, say my starting HELOC is 50,000, but throughout the year I have 40,000 in cash and only ever use 10,000 to buy stock. Is the interest on the full 50,000 deductible or only 10,000?</p>
<p>TIA</p>
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		<title>By: Konstantin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Konstantin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruin is an overstatement.

More like you cannot double-dip - having tax-free income/cap gains AND having tax-deductible interest.

You need to choose one ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruin is an overstatement.</p>
<p>More like you cannot double-dip &#8211; having tax-free income/cap gains AND having tax-deductible interest.</p>
<p>You need to choose one ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Traciatim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Traciatim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, interest on funds borrowed to invest in a TFSA is not tax deductible; the TFSA ruins the manouvre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, interest on funds borrowed to invest in a TFSA is not tax deductible; the TFSA ruins the manouvre.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me if this has already been asked:

If you are doing the smith manouvre, would it not make the most sense to use your HELOC to maximise your TFSA? For example, questrades tax free &quot;trading&quot; account. This way the portfolio you end up with at the end of your smith manouvre mortgage (which is hopefully larger than your HELOC) can be withdrawn tax free to repay the HELOC and have a nice tax free chunk of change to keep investing with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me if this has already been asked:</p>
<p>If you are doing the smith manouvre, would it not make the most sense to use your HELOC to maximise your TFSA? For example, questrades tax free &#8220;trading&#8221; account. This way the portfolio you end up with at the end of your smith manouvre mortgage (which is hopefully larger than your HELOC) can be withdrawn tax free to repay the HELOC and have a nice tax free chunk of change to keep investing with.</p>
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		<title>By: ruchir</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruchir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why no one is talking about investing in deep value stocks in your TFSA accounts and hold those investments for perpetuity. I definitely see this as a way to get a lot wealthier. I am always amazed when people talk about GICs and TFSA together. It just makes no sense. If you are making 2% on your GIC, the tax savings would be merely $100 X marginal rate 45% (let&#039;s assume) = $45. Why on earth would you want to invest in GICs for $45? Is it worth the pain? On the other hand investing in deep value stocks for long-term would mostly likely be extremely beneficial (100% tax-free) under TFSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why no one is talking about investing in deep value stocks in your TFSA accounts and hold those investments for perpetuity. I definitely see this as a way to get a lot wealthier. I am always amazed when people talk about GICs and TFSA together. It just makes no sense. If you are making 2% on your GIC, the tax savings would be merely $100 X marginal rate 45% (let&#8217;s assume) = $45. Why on earth would you want to invest in GICs for $45? Is it worth the pain? On the other hand investing in deep value stocks for long-term would mostly likely be extremely beneficial (100% tax-free) under TFSA.</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big J,

If you can transfer the options into your TFSA (i.e. they qualify as acceptable investments that can be held in a TFSA) then you should be able to do what you say.

I just don&#039;t know how you can transfer them into a TFSA.  Only once was I ever offered stock options in a company I worked for.  They never moved into the money but if I remember correctly, they were held by a US brokerage.  I was thinking that I would simply exercise them at the brokerage rather than transfer them.

Let us know what you find out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big J,</p>
<p>If you can transfer the options into your TFSA (i.e. they qualify as acceptable investments that can be held in a TFSA) then you should be able to do what you say.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t know how you can transfer them into a TFSA.  Only once was I ever offered stock options in a company I worked for.  They never moved into the money but if I remember correctly, they were held by a US brokerage.  I was thinking that I would simply exercise them at the brokerage rather than transfer them.</p>
<p>Let us know what you find out.</p>
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		<title>By: Big J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have stock options with the company I work for that are currently &#039;in the money&#039;. Can I buy a few in my TFSA, once there, sell them and then repeat to avoid capital gains tax? Basically &quot;flipping&quot; the shares in a tax free way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have stock options with the company I work for that are currently &#8216;in the money&#8217;. Can I buy a few in my TFSA, once there, sell them and then repeat to avoid capital gains tax? Basically &#8220;flipping&#8221; the shares in a tax free way.</p>
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		<title>By: Smac20</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smac20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more question, is it better to leave your TFSA to a beneficiary or to your estate?  What are the implications?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more question, is it better to leave your TFSA to a beneficiary or to your estate?  What are the implications?</p>
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		<title>By: Smac20</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smac20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the TFSA is here it is time to determine what the best investments are.  I believe the TFSA should be used for somthing that pays a high dividend, is tax inefficient, and has relatively low volatility.  This means income trusts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the TFSA is here it is time to determine what the best investments are.  I believe the TFSA should be used for somthing that pays a high dividend, is tax inefficient, and has relatively low volatility.  This means income trusts.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read the above comments, don&#039;t you think Claymore&#039;s Global Monthly Advantaged Dividend ETF make a lot of sense in a TFSA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read the above comments, don&#8217;t you think Claymore&#8217;s Global Monthly Advantaged Dividend ETF make a lot of sense in a TFSA?</p>
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		<title>By: Traciatim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Traciatim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Binh Levu, the TFSA rules themselves don&#039;t dictate fees, it&#039;s the individual plan provider that determines this. Be sure to real all the fine print before you sign. Pick plans with no withdrawal fees, if everyone does this then that&#039;s what products will be offered by other providers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Binh Levu, the TFSA rules themselves don&#8217;t dictate fees, it&#8217;s the individual plan provider that determines this. Be sure to real all the fine print before you sign. Pick plans with no withdrawal fees, if everyone does this then that&#8217;s what products will be offered by other providers.</p>
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		<title>By: Binh Levu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binh Levu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes TFSA is good,but is there a string to catch TFSA holder?Like when you withdraw  your money from this acct. bank will take your  service fee,and other you couldn&#039;t tell call&quot;Hidden fee&quot;??? That is the thing I&#039;m worry about TFSA.
&quot;Nothing for free&quot; Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes TFSA is good,but is there a string to catch TFSA holder?Like when you withdraw  your money from this acct. bank will take your  service fee,and other you couldn&#8217;t tell call&#8221;Hidden fee&#8221;??? That is the thing I&#8217;m worry about TFSA.<br />
&#8220;Nothing for free&#8221; Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 12:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

I am not sure but I think that TFSA works the same as RRSP.  You just have to tell them how much you put in the TFSA and how much you have taken out.  The rest, you don&#039;t have to tell them about that.

But I am not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>I am not sure but I think that TFSA works the same as RRSP.  You just have to tell them how much you put in the TFSA and how much you have taken out.  The rest, you don&#8217;t have to tell them about that.</p>
<p>But I am not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 00:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all.

As I knew and read here the gain made in a TFSA is tax free. But now my question: Will you have to report the potential income to the CRA even if you don&#039;t have to tax them?

Or do we just keep the TFSA unmentioned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all.</p>
<p>As I knew and read here the gain made in a TFSA is tax free. But now my question: Will you have to report the potential income to the CRA even if you don&#8217;t have to tax them?</p>
<p>Or do we just keep the TFSA unmentioned?</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dale, 

To my knowledge, you cannot claim capital losses which come from a TFSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale, </p>
<p>To my knowledge, you cannot claim capital losses which come from a TFSA.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can capital losses on equities held in a TFSA appliable against capital gains held out side the TFSA?

Thanks a lot,
Dale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can capital losses on equities held in a TFSA appliable against capital gains held out side the TFSA?</p>
<p>Thanks a lot,<br />
Dale</p>
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		<title>By: DAvid</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAvid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant asks: &lt;i&gt;&quot;I read that if you withdraw from your TFSA account, you will have to wait until the following year to be able to re-contribute, is that true? &lt;/i&gt;

Yes


&lt;i&gt;&quot;So if I, let’s say, open a TFSA savings account with ING with the max value of 5K, will I be able to withdraw and move it to ICICI in the middle of 2009?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You can TRANSFER it to ICICI, likely for a fee. If you withdraw it and open a second TFSA, you would pay a 1%? penalty on a $5000 over contribution. It would be seen as having two TFSA open with $5000 in each. Interestingly, the transfer fee is often equal to (you guessed it) 1% of the max contribution. 


&lt;i&gt;&quot;But if I withdraw my TFSA fund from ING, would I have to wait until next year before I can deposite it into my new ICICI TFSA account?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yes.  You could withdraw on December 31, and deposit on January 1, to minimize the uninvested time.

DAvid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant asks: <i>&#8220;I read that if you withdraw from your TFSA account, you will have to wait until the following year to be able to re-contribute, is that true? </i></p>
<p>Yes</p>
<p><i>&#8220;So if I, let’s say, open a TFSA savings account with ING with the max value of 5K, will I be able to withdraw and move it to ICICI in the middle of 2009?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You can TRANSFER it to ICICI, likely for a fee. If you withdraw it and open a second TFSA, you would pay a 1%? penalty on a $5000 over contribution. It would be seen as having two TFSA open with $5000 in each. Interestingly, the transfer fee is often equal to (you guessed it) 1% of the max contribution. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;But if I withdraw my TFSA fund from ING, would I have to wait until next year before I can deposite it into my new ICICI TFSA account?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yes.  You could withdraw on December 31, and deposit on January 1, to minimize the uninvested time.</p>
<p>DAvid</p>
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