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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with you Ian.  It&#039;s the most common thing I&#039;ve heard from families that have dealt with prepaid funerals.  The decisions are easy and guilt free with they&#039;ve already been made.  The money saved from &#039;up-selling&#039; during an emotionally fraught time may well be worth the other costs lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with you Ian.  It&#8217;s the most common thing I&#8217;ve heard from families that have dealt with prepaid funerals.  The decisions are easy and guilt free with they&#8217;ve already been made.  The money saved from &#8216;up-selling&#8217; during an emotionally fraught time may well be worth the other costs lost.</p>
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		<title>By: ian calderwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian calderwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently went thru the process of arranging a funeral that had a prepaid service, cremation, etc.  There is another side to prepaid funerals that one should  not overlook.  In my case, the deceased was very specific-low cost with as many assets as possible going to the estate.  The process was interesting.  The funeral director walked me thru the sales room to view caskets.   I declined, thinking very much that the deceased had selected carefully-budget was not the issue.  Next, it was a conversation about a very expensive urn.  No sale.  Pre-arrangement took all the the &#039;potential guilt&#039; and pressure away from me for selecting the options that I did-essentially the thank you card, minister, etc.  Looking back, it was a snap, I was out of there in 30 minutes.  We have decided to do this for ourselves-notwithstanding the ROR on our money because ultimately we believe it will save our estate  upsells/money at &#039;that&#039; time and the emotional pressure of starting from the beginning of the process as it were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently went thru the process of arranging a funeral that had a prepaid service, cremation, etc.  There is another side to prepaid funerals that one should  not overlook.  In my case, the deceased was very specific-low cost with as many assets as possible going to the estate.  The process was interesting.  The funeral director walked me thru the sales room to view caskets.   I declined, thinking very much that the deceased had selected carefully-budget was not the issue.  Next, it was a conversation about a very expensive urn.  No sale.  Pre-arrangement took all the the &#8216;potential guilt&#8217; and pressure away from me for selecting the options that I did-essentially the thank you card, minister, etc.  Looking back, it was a snap, I was out of there in 30 minutes.  We have decided to do this for ourselves-notwithstanding the ROR on our money because ultimately we believe it will save our estate  upsells/money at &#8216;that&#8217; time and the emotional pressure of starting from the beginning of the process as it were.</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,

Thanks for the link.  Quite illuminating.  Another example of what happens when the government is lax how too many people will let greed take over and prey on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<p>Thanks for the link.  Quite illuminating.  Another example of what happens when the government is lax how too many people will let greed take over and prey on others.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Pedley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Pedley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a clause in any prepaid funeral that I am aware of that says in legalese terms to make it confusing that the funeral home may increase the fee cost at the time of the funeral if not enough money in the plan to  provide for the requested funeral. That leaves it so open-ended that it is NO gift to your family because your family may be stuck paying the extra.

Much smarter is to get a term life insurance policy when you are young enough that will bury you when you die.

Consumer reports has researched pre-paid funerals and are dead-set against them because of many drawbacks like the one I described.

If you are too old to afford a term life insurance policy to provide death benefits, then buy an escalator GIC which will give you more money if kept to 3, 5 or 7 years and give orders to keep rolling it over into another one to keep it growing.

IN your will, you designate that GIC or whatever to cover funeral costs.

Amazon.com has some books about the horrendous troubles people have ended up with due to prepaid funerals. I would not touch one with a ten-foot pole [or even a ten foot Canadian! (:-)

Here the AARP, similar to our CARP warns against prepaid as a scam.

http://www.aarpmagazine.org/money/funeral_rip_off.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a clause in any prepaid funeral that I am aware of that says in legalese terms to make it confusing that the funeral home may increase the fee cost at the time of the funeral if not enough money in the plan to  provide for the requested funeral. That leaves it so open-ended that it is NO gift to your family because your family may be stuck paying the extra.</p>
<p>Much smarter is to get a term life insurance policy when you are young enough that will bury you when you die.</p>
<p>Consumer reports has researched pre-paid funerals and are dead-set against them because of many drawbacks like the one I described.</p>
<p>If you are too old to afford a term life insurance policy to provide death benefits, then buy an escalator GIC which will give you more money if kept to 3, 5 or 7 years and give orders to keep rolling it over into another one to keep it growing.</p>
<p>IN your will, you designate that GIC or whatever to cover funeral costs.</p>
<p>Amazon.com has some books about the horrendous troubles people have ended up with due to prepaid funerals. I would not touch one with a ten-foot pole [or even a ten foot Canadian! (:-)</p>
<p>Here the AARP, similar to our CARP warns against prepaid as a scam.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aarpmagazine.org/money/funeral_rip_off.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aarpmagazine.org/money/funeral_rip_off.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Madame X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madame X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been looking into this at the request of my parents. I think it&#039;s best not to pre-pay, but to leave instructions about what you want so loved ones will be able to take care of it. Also look into Funeral Consumers Alliances that exist regionally-- they survey funeral homes and provide transparency on pricing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been looking into this at the request of my parents. I think it&#8217;s best not to pre-pay, but to leave instructions about what you want so loved ones will be able to take care of it. Also look into Funeral Consumers Alliances that exist regionally&#8211; they survey funeral homes and provide transparency on pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: Annuity Quotes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annuity Quotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If ever you were to be on Medicaid - they will only allow so much toward funeral expenses depending on the state.  It is a good idea then to have a fully funded irrevocable funeral trust then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ever you were to be on Medicaid &#8211; they will only allow so much toward funeral expenses depending on the state.  It is a good idea then to have a fully funded irrevocable funeral trust then.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One aspect I don&#039;t think has been touched on is that you freeze the cost of the funeral.. My mom who has chronic cancer pre-paid her funeral and it has given her tremendous peace of mind to know that arrangements are in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One aspect I don&#8217;t think has been touched on is that you freeze the cost of the funeral.. My mom who has chronic cancer pre-paid her funeral and it has given her tremendous peace of mind to know that arrangements are in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogging Banks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogging Banks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, wouldn&#039;t it be easier simply to invest in a funeral home? With the rapid ageing of the population in the western world, investing in funeral homes sounds like a growth investment to me..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, wouldn&#8217;t it be easier simply to invest in a funeral home? With the rapid ageing of the population in the western world, investing in funeral homes sounds like a growth investment to me..</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:  I agree.  I would only consider this if I had a terminal illness or was over 70 and even then I might just make my wishes known to my family.

MoneyEnergy:  Great points on the eco-friendly funeral.  I&#039;ve noticed eco-friendly options are becoming more popular in the funeral industry.  

Jas:  You&#039;re right.  There is a lot of money to be made in the funeral industry or in the retirement / aging business in the next three few decades.  It&#039;s not the line of work I&#039;d want to work in but for those who would enjoy it, it would be a profitable business in the years to come. 

Novice:  The best use of your remains!  Sounds like a great way to celebrate your life.

Dave:  There is very little information on the prepaid funeral in Canada that isn&#039;t written by a funeral home which creates obvious bias.  Lots of different demographics read MDJ.  So, no, we&#039;re not even close to running out of things to write about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:  I agree.  I would only consider this if I had a terminal illness or was over 70 and even then I might just make my wishes known to my family.</p>
<p>MoneyEnergy:  Great points on the eco-friendly funeral.  I&#8217;ve noticed eco-friendly options are becoming more popular in the funeral industry.  </p>
<p>Jas:  You&#8217;re right.  There is a lot of money to be made in the funeral industry or in the retirement / aging business in the next three few decades.  It&#8217;s not the line of work I&#8217;d want to work in but for those who would enjoy it, it would be a profitable business in the years to come. </p>
<p>Novice:  The best use of your remains!  Sounds like a great way to celebrate your life.</p>
<p>Dave:  There is very little information on the prepaid funeral in Canada that isn&#8217;t written by a funeral home which creates obvious bias.  Lots of different demographics read MDJ.  So, no, we&#8217;re not even close to running out of things to write about.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyEnergy</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyEnergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, original post - what Craig said; tough subject, but everyone will need to think about it or still be affected by it.  Personally, I think about ecological things - is there even enough space on the planet to bury everyone in their own plot if we all died today?  At this point I&#039;m still on the fence about all these issues.  Eventually I&#039;ll have to think some more about them, though.  I know my parents have started paying for some things.  I also wrote a piece about how one would/should spend any money that one&#039;s parents might leave behind in an estate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, original post &#8211; what Craig said; tough subject, but everyone will need to think about it or still be affected by it.  Personally, I think about ecological things &#8211; is there even enough space on the planet to bury everyone in their own plot if we all died today?  At this point I&#8217;m still on the fence about all these issues.  Eventually I&#8217;ll have to think some more about them, though.  I know my parents have started paying for some things.  I also wrote a piece about how one would/should spend any money that one&#8217;s parents might leave behind in an estate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms Save Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms Save Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting topic - the Funeral Industry does bank a lot of money on this and you&#039;d be surprised.

I heard somewhere that a lot of this is owned by the Church. There&#039;s a portion of the pie for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting topic &#8211; the Funeral Industry does bank a lot of money on this and you&#8217;d be surprised.</p>
<p>I heard somewhere that a lot of this is owned by the Church. There&#8217;s a portion of the pie for you.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>running out of things to talk about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>running out of things to talk about?</p>
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		<title>By: BobMarche</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobMarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the useful info. It&#039;s so interesting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the useful info. It&#8217;s so interesting</p>
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		<title>By: Tom @ Canadian Finance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom @ Canadian Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could see doing this if I was either at an old age or had a terminal illness. While I could die tomorrow, as you mentioned that money would be better off in a TFSA with instructions on what you&#039;d like done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could see doing this if I was either at an old age or had a terminal illness. While I could die tomorrow, as you mentioned that money would be better off in a TFSA with instructions on what you&#8217;d like done.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tough subject but you handled it very well and interesting to see how something like this can be handled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tough subject but you handled it very well and interesting to see how something like this can be handled.</p>
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		<title>By: Novice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Novice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve told my family to donate my carcass to medical school after they&#039;ve hauled out whatever bits are still in working order. They provide a nice little service there for free. And then it&#039;s back to my house for everyone to get wasted and say good and bad things about me. It&#039;s good to Irish sometimes; we throw a good wedding and a better funeral as my uncle used to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve told my family to donate my carcass to medical school after they&#8217;ve hauled out whatever bits are still in working order. They provide a nice little service there for free. And then it&#8217;s back to my house for everyone to get wasted and say good and bad things about me. It&#8217;s good to Irish sometimes; we throw a good wedding and a better funeral as my uncle used to say.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CF, afaik, there is a $2500 payout upon death.  As you mentioned, once the paperwork is sorted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CF, afaik, there is a $2500 payout upon death.  As you mentioned, once the paperwork is sorted.</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing that struck me was the idea that in 150 years the earth will be filled with all new people - obviously true, but I&#039;d never looked at it that way.

I guess the ideal situation is to sit down with a funeral director and pick out the details of what you would like and note that down in your will.  This way it will be much easier for the people left behind to take care of the arrangements.

Instead of stating, in an offhand way, &quot;Oh, just a simple arrangement&quot; you could put limits on the expenditure for flowers, the coffin, music, etc.  But, unless you go through the process, how would you know?

And this way, you also relieve the burden, and possible guilt, that your family/friends may take on.  Instead of placing them in a difficult position of exactly how much to spend to show their love, you&#039;ve taken care of most of the decisions.

This way, you can avoid prepaying for the funeral but ultimately achieve a similar goal.

Finally - does the government provide a $2,500 payout upon a person&#039;s death (I assume once their final tax return has been submitted)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing that struck me was the idea that in 150 years the earth will be filled with all new people &#8211; obviously true, but I&#8217;d never looked at it that way.</p>
<p>I guess the ideal situation is to sit down with a funeral director and pick out the details of what you would like and note that down in your will.  This way it will be much easier for the people left behind to take care of the arrangements.</p>
<p>Instead of stating, in an offhand way, &#8220;Oh, just a simple arrangement&#8221; you could put limits on the expenditure for flowers, the coffin, music, etc.  But, unless you go through the process, how would you know?</p>
<p>And this way, you also relieve the burden, and possible guilt, that your family/friends may take on.  Instead of placing them in a difficult position of exactly how much to spend to show their love, you&#8217;ve taken care of most of the decisions.</p>
<p>This way, you can avoid prepaying for the funeral but ultimately achieve a similar goal.</p>
<p>Finally &#8211; does the government provide a $2,500 payout upon a person&#8217;s death (I assume once their final tax return has been submitted)?</p>
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