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		<title>By: Elbyron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elbyron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Can I use the HELOC to pay for the principal portion of the rental property&#039;s mortgage, or am I limited to using the HELOC only for expenses that are already considered tax-deductible, such as the interest portion of the mortgage?

2. Is the interest on funds borrowed to pay a down-payment on a rental property considered to be tax-deductible? (I would draw from a HELOC on my principal residence)

3. Which spouse can claim the tax deduction for a jointly-borrowed HELOC? If this is based on who is on the title for the rental property, then what are our options if we&#039;re both on the title?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Can I use the HELOC to pay for the principal portion of the rental property&#8217;s mortgage, or am I limited to using the HELOC only for expenses that are already considered tax-deductible, such as the interest portion of the mortgage?</p>
<p>2. Is the interest on funds borrowed to pay a down-payment on a rental property considered to be tax-deductible? (I would draw from a HELOC on my principal residence)</p>
<p>3. Which spouse can claim the tax deduction for a jointly-borrowed HELOC? If this is based on who is on the title for the rental property, then what are our options if we&#8217;re both on the title?</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note... I created a Smith Manoeuvre calculator some time ago and the link has been located on this website. http://home.cogeco.ca/~pgannon/investment/Readvanceable_Mortgage.xls

It supports the use of Cash Damming if you want to see how it may work in your particular situation.

Cash Damming can be, obviously depending on how large your business expenses are, the fastest way to convert your non-deductible mortgage into deductible debt.  This could easily save you thousands of dollars per year for many years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note&#8230; I created a Smith Manoeuvre calculator some time ago and the link has been located on this website. <a href="http://home.cogeco.ca/~pgannon/investment/Readvanceable_Mortgage.xls" rel="nofollow">http://home.cogeco.ca/~pgannon/investment/Readvanceable_Mortgage.xls</a></p>
<p>It supports the use of Cash Damming if you want to see how it may work in your particular situation.</p>
<p>Cash Damming can be, obviously depending on how large your business expenses are, the fastest way to convert your non-deductible mortgage into deductible debt.  This could easily save you thousands of dollars per year for many years.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and MJW,

you are Robbing Peter to pay Paul but you are paying down the principle on your own mortgage which eliminates your personal debt quicker. At first it&#039;s not the easiest thing to understand but if you consider that the income doesn&#039;t dissapear and your overall debtload is decreasing at the same pace as it previously was but you are transferring your bad debt to good debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and MJW,</p>
<p>you are Robbing Peter to pay Paul but you are paying down the principle on your own mortgage which eliminates your personal debt quicker. At first it&#8217;s not the easiest thing to understand but if you consider that the income doesn&#8217;t dissapear and your overall debtload is decreasing at the same pace as it previously was but you are transferring your bad debt to good debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everyone,

I&#039;ve been looking into this quite a bit the past couple of days. Here are 2 links with valuable info. One is just another explanation of how to do it, the other is a link to the CCRA&#039;s website with their explanation and the rules on it.

http://howtobesetforlife.com/Reports/CashFlowDam.pdf

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it533/it533-e.pdf

Hope this helps a bit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been looking into this quite a bit the past couple of days. Here are 2 links with valuable info. One is just another explanation of how to do it, the other is a link to the CCRA&#8217;s website with their explanation and the rules on it.</p>
<p><a href="http://howtobesetforlife.com/Reports/CashFlowDam.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://howtobesetforlife.com/Reports/CashFlowDam.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it533/it533-e.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it533/it533-e.pdf</a></p>
<p>Hope this helps a bit</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite interesting strategy. I actually have a few client that has it in place (mostly with rental properties) and it works perfectly.

In fact, I wonder when do government get taxes from rental properties income? There are so many ways to avoid/defer taxes with rental properties :-)

There are a few banks offering HELOC with split accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite interesting strategy. I actually have a few client that has it in place (mostly with rental properties) and it works perfectly.</p>
<p>In fact, I wonder when do government get taxes from rental properties income? There are so many ways to avoid/defer taxes with rental properties :-)</p>
<p>There are a few banks offering HELOC with split accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJW - yes, you are robbing Peter to pay Paul, however if Peter can&#039;t write off the interest and Paul can, then there can be some benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJW &#8211; yes, you are robbing Peter to pay Paul, however if Peter can&#8217;t write off the interest and Paul can, then there can be some benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FP, nobleea is right on the money.
http://www.taxtips.ca/filing/capitallosses.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FP, nobleea is right on the money.<br />
<a href="http://www.taxtips.ca/filing/capitallosses.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.taxtips.ca/filing/capitallosses.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mjw,

This is basically what happens:
&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;
Business has expenses&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;
LOC pays business expenses&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;
LOC has interest owed&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;
Pay LOC interest with chequing account&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Withdraw same amount from LOC back to chequing account&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

Make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mjw,</p>
<p>This is basically what happens:</p>
<ol>
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Business has expenses</li>
<li>
LOC pays business expenses</li>
<li>
LOC has interest owed</li>
<li>
Pay LOC interest with chequing account</li>
<li>Withdraw same amount from LOC back to chequing account</li>
</ol>
<p>Make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: mjw2005</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjw2005</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this not just robbing Peter to pay Paul...I am trying to wrap my head around this. Forgive my ignorance here. I am self employed but have very little overhead so this may not apply to my situation....

What do you mean by capitalizing the loan.....I get your diagram in relation to someone using borrowed money for Stock Investments....but how as you say does one capitalize the loan for a small business so that the small business pays the loan itself with you paying nothing.....I don&#039;t get it...confused.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this not just robbing Peter to pay Paul&#8230;I am trying to wrap my head around this. Forgive my ignorance here. I am self employed but have very little overhead so this may not apply to my situation&#8230;.</p>
<p>What do you mean by capitalizing the loan&#8230;..I get your diagram in relation to someone using borrowed money for Stock Investments&#8230;.but how as you say does one capitalize the loan for a small business so that the small business pays the loan itself with you paying nothing&#8230;..I don&#8217;t get it&#8230;confused&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: nobleea</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobleea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FP;

Don&#039;t quote me, but I think capital losses can be carried back 3 years and carried forward indefinitely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FP;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t quote me, but I think capital losses can be carried back 3 years and carried forward indefinitely?</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question about splitting the LOC - I think this is dependent on the product you use.  I have Firstline Matrix which does not allow sub-accounts but I know there are other LOCs out there which do.  I suppose one could pay the fees and get another secured LOC set up.

I don&#039;t think it matters how you use the money from the LOC - as long as it is used for investment in businesses of some sort.  Stocks, rental properties, blogs, any other business - they are all eligible.

On an unrelated topic - if you have capital losses from stocks - is there a limit to how many years you can carry it forward?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question about splitting the LOC &#8211; I think this is dependent on the product you use.  I have Firstline Matrix which does not allow sub-accounts but I know there are other LOCs out there which do.  I suppose one could pay the fees and get another secured LOC set up.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it matters how you use the money from the LOC &#8211; as long as it is used for investment in businesses of some sort.  Stocks, rental properties, blogs, any other business &#8211; they are all eligible.</p>
<p>On an unrelated topic &#8211; if you have capital losses from stocks &#8211; is there a limit to how many years you can carry it forward?</p>
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		<title>By: nobleea</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobleea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, that makes sense.

is it possible to split an existing LOC in to two accounts? it&#039;s a HLOC so it&#039;s registered against the property.

also, does it matter if the LOC used is against the rental property? or is that just using your equity how you see fit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, that makes sense.</p>
<p>is it possible to split an existing LOC in to two accounts? it&#8217;s a HLOC so it&#8217;s registered against the property.</p>
<p>also, does it matter if the LOC used is against the rental property? or is that just using your equity how you see fit?</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You absolutely HAVE to keep any LOC used for business separate from any personal use.  I got caught on this one last year because my former bank (TD) screwed things up.  I had to sell some stock, wait 30 days and rebuy.  I didn&#039;t get audited or anything like that but it was still something I had to deal with.

The problem with mingling funds is that if you make any payments to the principal, it is not clear whether you are paying down the deductible debt or the non-deductible debt.  This is not something you can &quot;designate&quot; or assume it is in proportion to the amounts of deductible and non-deductible debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You absolutely HAVE to keep any LOC used for business separate from any personal use.  I got caught on this one last year because my former bank (TD) screwed things up.  I had to sell some stock, wait 30 days and rebuy.  I didn&#8217;t get audited or anything like that but it was still something I had to deal with.</p>
<p>The problem with mingling funds is that if you make any payments to the principal, it is not clear whether you are paying down the deductible debt or the non-deductible debt.  This is not something you can &#8220;designate&#8221; or assume it is in proportion to the amounts of deductible and non-deductible debt.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobleea, AFAIK, any interest paid to service a business loan is also tax deductible.  So I can&#039;t see why you wouldn&#039;t be able to use a line of credit to pay the rental mortgage.  However, with that said, I&#039;m not sure that you could capitalize the interest on that LOC because that would be 3 layers.

IMO, any LOC used for business/investing should be kept separate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobleea, AFAIK, any interest paid to service a business loan is also tax deductible.  So I can&#8217;t see why you wouldn&#8217;t be able to use a line of credit to pay the rental mortgage.  However, with that said, I&#8217;m not sure that you could capitalize the interest on that LOC because that would be 3 layers.</p>
<p>IMO, any LOC used for business/investing should be kept separate.</p>
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		<title>By: nobleea</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobleea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how does it work for rentals. Is the entire mortgage payment (P+I) considered a valid business expense? Or just the interest? Or is is the full amount and then you pay taxes on the capital gain when you sell (if you do)

I suppose it&#039;s much easier if you have a seperate LOC for tracking. I wonder how hard the paperwork would be if you used a LOC that you also used for other purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how does it work for rentals. Is the entire mortgage payment (P+I) considered a valid business expense? Or just the interest? Or is is the full amount and then you pay taxes on the capital gain when you sell (if you do)</p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s much easier if you have a seperate LOC for tracking. I wonder how hard the paperwork would be if you used a LOC that you also used for other purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll consider it but for now the revenues are too low to make it worthwhile.  Hopefully that will change in the future. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll consider it but for now the revenues are too low to make it worthwhile.  Hopefully that will change in the future. :)</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea FP.  Have you looked into incorporating your online business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea FP.  Have you looked into incorporating your online business?</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good explanation - I didn&#039;t know what that was called.  I was debating on doing something similar for my blog next year since I have relatively high expenses (for a blog) - Mr. Cheap doesn&#039;t come cheap and my wife also helps out and is on the payroll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good explanation &#8211; I didn&#8217;t know what that was called.  I was debating on doing something similar for my blog next year since I have relatively high expenses (for a blog) &#8211; Mr. Cheap doesn&#8217;t come cheap and my wife also helps out and is on the payroll.</p>
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