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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/smith-manouevre-portfolio-august-2009-where-is-the-correction.htm/comment-page-1#comment-107766</link>
		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cf, that would depend on the dividend payout ratio (dividend rate relative to earnings), the yield, and the overall value of the stock.  The stock would need to have a compelling case to purchase it again, I like to stick with stocks that have a history of paying an uninterupted dividend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cf, that would depend on the dividend payout ratio (dividend rate relative to earnings), the yield, and the overall value of the stock.  The stock would need to have a compelling case to purchase it again, I like to stick with stocks that have a history of paying an uninterupted dividend.</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT,

Teck has announced that, once they retire their $2.5B in debt, they will reinstitute the dividend.  In fact, the CEO would like to pay back the suspended dividends.  One thing he noted is that mutual funds that are geared towards dividend payers obviously had to sell Teck when they suspended the dividend.

If I remember correctly, you got out of Teck after making about 20% on the stock.  Could you see yourself getting into Teck if it reinstitutes its dividend (thus help diversifying your SM portfolio) even if it is in the $40&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT,</p>
<p>Teck has announced that, once they retire their $2.5B in debt, they will reinstitute the dividend.  In fact, the CEO would like to pay back the suspended dividends.  One thing he noted is that mutual funds that are geared towards dividend payers obviously had to sell Teck when they suspended the dividend.</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, you got out of Teck after making about 20% on the stock.  Could you see yourself getting into Teck if it reinstitutes its dividend (thus help diversifying your SM portfolio) even if it is in the $40&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Rempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Rempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill,

It all comes down to the level of risk you are comfortable with and the level of confidence you have in your investments. Investing in individual companies is already more risky than broader portfolios.

Lotteries are not investing. With investing, the odds are in your favour in the long run. With the lottery, the odds are sharply against you.


Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>It all comes down to the level of risk you are comfortable with and the level of confidence you have in your investments. Investing in individual companies is already more risky than broader portfolios.</p>
<p>Lotteries are not investing. With investing, the odds are in your favour in the long run. With the lottery, the odds are sharply against you.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Bill M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe in leveraged investing.  
I rely on the companies that I invest in to do my leveraging for me.
Buying a lottery ticket is high risk investing as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe in leveraged investing.<br />
I rely on the companies that I invest in to do my leveraging for me.<br />
Buying a lottery ticket is high risk investing as well!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Rempel</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/smith-manouevre-portfolio-august-2009-where-is-the-correction.htm/comment-page-1#comment-100486</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Rempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi FT,

Why is everyone focused on a small correction in a major recovery?

If you recall our article in March &quot;Irrational Pessimism&quot;, we expect that 2009 will be seen in the distant future as the best buying opportunity during our lifetime. There has been a huge runup since then, but this is only about 1/3 of the decline, so there is still lots of room to run.

We still need a gain of more than 50% to get back to the peak.If you look back to 1950, the longest the S&amp;P500 has taken from the bottom to reach a new all-time high is 4 years. If you look at the mid-term, instead of the short term, the chance of well above average returns is very high.

Our fund managers are still telling us they are finding more, cheaper companies now than any time since 1974. This is not really true in Canada, but in the US and globally, value investors are still very excited about all the opportunities.

The talk of a correction has been all over the news. It is essentially obvious, since the markets don&#039;t go straight up. However, nobody knows when it will happen. What makes you think we won&#039;t get a 10% correction after the next 20% rise?

Focusing on the short term if usually not effective. We would suggest to make sure you are invested for the next 100% uptick, instead of trying to miss the next 10% downtick.



Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi FT,</p>
<p>Why is everyone focused on a small correction in a major recovery?</p>
<p>If you recall our article in March &#8220;Irrational Pessimism&#8221;, we expect that 2009 will be seen in the distant future as the best buying opportunity during our lifetime. There has been a huge runup since then, but this is only about 1/3 of the decline, so there is still lots of room to run.</p>
<p>We still need a gain of more than 50% to get back to the peak.If you look back to 1950, the longest the S&amp;P500 has taken from the bottom to reach a new all-time high is 4 years. If you look at the mid-term, instead of the short term, the chance of well above average returns is very high.</p>
<p>Our fund managers are still telling us they are finding more, cheaper companies now than any time since 1974. This is not really true in Canada, but in the US and globally, value investors are still very excited about all the opportunities.</p>
<p>The talk of a correction has been all over the news. It is essentially obvious, since the markets don&#8217;t go straight up. However, nobody knows when it will happen. What makes you think we won&#8217;t get a 10% correction after the next 20% rise?</p>
<p>Focusing on the short term if usually not effective. We would suggest to make sure you are invested for the next 100% uptick, instead of trying to miss the next 10% downtick.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Rempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Rempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matt,

As Cannon pointed out, the very high P/E of 143 is not meaningful, since they are based on extremely depressed earnings. Based on forward earnings, the S&amp;P500 is reasonably value at about 15, and based on normalized earnings, it is actually quite cheap.

Also, your comment: &quot;There has not been an end of any recession in history where P/E ratios of major indices did not reach single digits.&quot; is not accurate. In fact, almost 100% of recessions did NOT end with P/Es in single digits.

Single digit P/Es in stock market history have resulted only from extremely high inflation (because high interest rates are correlated to the inverse E/P) or from major depressions.



Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt,</p>
<p>As Cannon pointed out, the very high P/E of 143 is not meaningful, since they are based on extremely depressed earnings. Based on forward earnings, the S&amp;P500 is reasonably value at about 15, and based on normalized earnings, it is actually quite cheap.</p>
<p>Also, your comment: &#8220;There has not been an end of any recession in history where P/E ratios of major indices did not reach single digits.&#8221; is not accurate. In fact, almost 100% of recessions did NOT end with P/Es in single digits.</p>
<p>Single digit P/Es in stock market history have resulted only from extremely high inflation (because high interest rates are correlated to the inverse E/P) or from major depressions.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Evolution of Wealth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolution of Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I thought of another question...what about the taxes on your investments?  Are you netting the taxes from the portfolio or paying them out of pocket?  Would a strategy such as the one mentioned in http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/using-universal-life-insurance-with-corporations.htm work here?  Help you manage taxes, reduce risk, etc, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I thought of another question&#8230;what about the taxes on your investments?  Are you netting the taxes from the portfolio or paying them out of pocket?  Would a strategy such as the one mentioned in <a href="http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/using-universal-life-insurance-with-corporations.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/using-universal-life-insurance-with-corporations.htm</a> work here?  Help you manage taxes, reduce risk, etc, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Evolution of Wealth</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/smith-manouevre-portfolio-august-2009-where-is-the-correction.htm/comment-page-1#comment-99143</link>
		<dc:creator>Evolution of Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off I admit to being from the US so I might not understand the Canadian way of doing things but bear with me.  I love the way you are doing leveraged investing but I&#039;m wonder what made you choose to risk this money in the market?  Have you looked at any other investments the might give you solid returns without the swings or risk of loss?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off I admit to being from the US so I might not understand the Canadian way of doing things but bear with me.  I love the way you are doing leveraged investing but I&#8217;m wonder what made you choose to risk this money in the market?  Have you looked at any other investments the might give you solid returns without the swings or risk of loss?</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark/Matt/Tom,

You&#039;re all welcome.  There is a US site with a slightly different spelling if you are interested in US equities.

www.dividendinvestor.com

Tom - yes, I&#039;ve used Excel&#039;s feature to get fresh data from the site and manage to create my own reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark/Matt/Tom,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re all welcome.  There is a US site with a slightly different spelling if you are interested in US equities.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dividendinvestor.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dividendinvestor.com</a></p>
<p>Tom &#8211; yes, I&#8217;ve used Excel&#8217;s feature to get fresh data from the site and manage to create my own reports.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Nepean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Nepean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link cannon....

Matt, I couldn&#039;t agree more with your pt. 5 in # 17.

Trying to be patient....just saving cash for some buying in the future :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link cannon&#8230;.</p>
<p>Matt, I couldn&#8217;t agree more with your pt. 5 in # 17.</p>
<p>Trying to be patient&#8230;.just saving cash for some buying in the future :)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  Thank you for the link to that site, cannon_fodder.  I have been using globefund and morningstar to get most information.  This site is much more user friendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  Thank you for the link to that site, cannon_fodder.  I have been using globefund and morningstar to get most information.  This site is much more user friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom @ Canadian Finance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom @ Canadian Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cannon_fodder, that&#039;s a great site! One handy column that I could pull into Excel for a few companies I&#039;m watching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cannon_fodder, that&#8217;s a great site! One handy column that I could pull into Excel for a few companies I&#8217;m watching!</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/smith-manouevre-portfolio-august-2009-where-is-the-correction.htm/comment-page-1#comment-98792</link>
		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT,

A quick and easy place to start is right here...

http://dividendinvestors.ca/?symbol=iag

They peg IAG at 8 years of consecutive increases.  Like other insurers they&#039;ve been hit harder than the banks.

They have a very high payout ratio like MFC so it may be worthwhile to wait and see if they cut their dividend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT,</p>
<p>A quick and easy place to start is right here&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://dividendinvestors.ca/?symbol=iag" rel="nofollow">http://dividendinvestors.ca/?symbol=iag</a></p>
<p>They peg IAG at 8 years of consecutive increases.  Like other insurers they&#8217;ve been hit harder than the banks.</p>
<p>They have a very high payout ratio like MFC so it may be worthwhile to wait and see if they cut their dividend.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cannon_fodder:

Good points.  Time will tell.   &quot;Earnings&quot; have been beating expectations the real indicator - revenue - is down 20-30% y/o/y.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cannon_fodder:</p>
<p>Good points.  Time will tell.   &#8220;Earnings&#8221; have been beating expectations the real indicator &#8211; revenue &#8211; is down 20-30% y/o/y.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to take a look at IAG, what has your research concluded?  Do they have a history of div increases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to take a look at IAG, what has your research concluded?  Do they have a history of div increases?</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/smith-manouevre-portfolio-august-2009-where-is-the-correction.htm/comment-page-1#comment-98736</link>
		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

From http://www.investorsfriend.com/S%20and%20P%20500%20index%20valuation.htm dated August 5, 2009.

A quick indication of whether or not the S&amp;P 500 index is fairly valued is normally available by simply looking at its P/E ratio. Unfortunately , at this time it is not clear what the P/E ratios on the S&amp;P 500 is. As of August 5, the S&amp;P 500 closed at 1003 and had a P/E ratio (based on actual reported earnings in the past year) of 130. This is extremely high. Therefore the quick indication is that the S&amp;P 500 index is extraordinarily over-valued at this time at 1003. 

However this would be jumping to conclusions.

Earnings on the S&amp;P 500 index have recently been depressed by huge losses at a few major companies and may not represent the normal expected earnings level. Meanwhile the forecast operating P/E on the S&amp;P 500 from Standard and Poors itself, based on eliminating all unusual gains and losses and based on the summation of such forecasts by individual companies is relatively low at 15.6 indicating that the index is reasonably valued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.investorsfriend.com/S%20and%20P%20500%20index%20valuation.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.investorsfriend.com/S%20and%20P%20500%20index%20valuation.htm</a> dated August 5, 2009.</p>
<p>A quick indication of whether or not the S&amp;P 500 index is fairly valued is normally available by simply looking at its P/E ratio. Unfortunately , at this time it is not clear what the P/E ratios on the S&amp;P 500 is. As of August 5, the S&amp;P 500 closed at 1003 and had a P/E ratio (based on actual reported earnings in the past year) of 130. This is extremely high. Therefore the quick indication is that the S&amp;P 500 index is extraordinarily over-valued at this time at 1003. </p>
<p>However this would be jumping to conclusions.</p>
<p>Earnings on the S&amp;P 500 index have recently been depressed by huge losses at a few major companies and may not represent the normal expected earnings level. Meanwhile the forecast operating P/E on the S&amp;P 500 from Standard and Poors itself, based on eliminating all unusual gains and losses and based on the summation of such forecasts by individual companies is relatively low at 15.6 indicating that the index is reasonably valued.</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT,

I have IAG, IGM and MX.  MX is a &quot;specialty chemicals&quot; play but I think of it as energy since it is concerned with methanol.  It is a bit of a proxy on the price of oil and it has doubled from its 52 week low but is still far off its 52 week high.  

At this point in time, my interest costs are about 55% of my dividend income before taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT,</p>
<p>I have IAG, IGM and MX.  MX is a &#8220;specialty chemicals&#8221; play but I think of it as energy since it is concerned with methanol.  It is a bit of a proxy on the price of oil and it has doubled from its 52 week low but is still far off its 52 week high.  </p>
<p>At this point in time, my interest costs are about 55% of my dividend income before taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom @ Canadian Finance Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom @ Canadian Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT, still wondering about FTSE RAFI US 1500 Small-Mid ETF in your SM... I think your were planning to have a follow up, but maybe I missed it?

As for the correction at some point, Sept is historically a bad month. I also have an article with an economics professor you might find interesting...

http://canadianfinanceblog.com/2009/08/06/is-the-current-market-a-return-to-normal.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT, still wondering about FTSE RAFI US 1500 Small-Mid ETF in your SM&#8230; I think your were planning to have a follow up, but maybe I missed it?</p>
<p>As for the correction at some point, Sept is historically a bad month. I also have an article with an economics professor you might find interesting&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://canadianfinanceblog.com/2009/08/06/is-the-current-market-a-return-to-normal.htm" rel="nofollow">http://canadianfinanceblog.com/2009/08/06/is-the-current-market-a-return-to-normal.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oil Baron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oil Baron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that it will be quite hard for stocks to go down too much at this point.  There is so much cash sitting on the sidelines that every time it goes down, it seems to bounce right back from investors on the sidelines waiting for pullbacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that it will be quite hard for stocks to go down too much at this point.  There is so much cash sitting on the sidelines that every time it goes down, it seems to bounce right back from investors on the sidelines waiting for pullbacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And anyone interested in this thread should also refer to Mike&#039;s comment: #8.  TARP was suppose to free up lending during a credit crunch in the US for consumers and small businessses.  Instead, the money has gone in to inflating the stock market and speculate on commodities.  Goldman Sachs made over $100M on something like 41 days in Q2 and finished the quarter wiht a record profit.  Given the 50% run up and the all clear coming from the pundits on CNBC they are luring the average Joe and Jane in at the very time these financial institutions are getting out.  Eventually when everything collapses the average person is out again.  FYI - insider trading in july was 4.16:1 i.e. four sellers for every buyer on the inside.  The last time there were numbers like this was in the summer of 2007 - and we all know what has happened since.  Patience is all you need espeically when you are dealing with a HELOC.  The money isn&#039;t going anywhere - unless you move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And anyone interested in this thread should also refer to Mike&#8217;s comment: #8.  TARP was suppose to free up lending during a credit crunch in the US for consumers and small businessses.  Instead, the money has gone in to inflating the stock market and speculate on commodities.  Goldman Sachs made over $100M on something like 41 days in Q2 and finished the quarter wiht a record profit.  Given the 50% run up and the all clear coming from the pundits on CNBC they are luring the average Joe and Jane in at the very time these financial institutions are getting out.  Eventually when everything collapses the average person is out again.  FYI &#8211; insider trading in july was 4.16:1 i.e. four sellers for every buyer on the inside.  The last time there were numbers like this was in the summer of 2007 &#8211; and we all know what has happened since.  Patience is all you need espeically when you are dealing with a HELOC.  The money isn&#8217;t going anywhere &#8211; unless you move.</p>
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