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		<title>By: Thomas Venner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Venner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, which finacial services company do you work for? I would think you would have been given some information about RRSP basics ;)
To answer your question, your 2010 contribution room is based on your 2009 income, therefore you have no contribution room. Did you file taxes for 2009? If so your notice of assesment (NOA) will tell you haow much contribution room she has. Did your wife have any 2009 income? If so her NOA will give your her 2010 contribution limit.
Based on your income for 2010, you will have a contribution limit of 18% of &quot;earned income&quot; up to a max of just over $22k. Sposal or non-spousal the &quot;tax savings&quot; are the same. When you retire the spousal plan may have certain advantages depending on your retirement and pension situation. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, which finacial services company do you work for? I would think you would have been given some information about RRSP basics ;)<br />
To answer your question, your 2010 contribution room is based on your 2009 income, therefore you have no contribution room. Did you file taxes for 2009? If so your notice of assesment (NOA) will tell you haow much contribution room she has. Did your wife have any 2009 income? If so her NOA will give your her 2010 contribution limit.<br />
Based on your income for 2010, you will have a contribution limit of 18% of &#8220;earned income&#8221; up to a max of just over $22k. Sposal or non-spousal the &#8220;tax savings&#8221; are the same. When you retire the spousal plan may have certain advantages depending on your retirement and pension situation.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question for you. I am a new immigrant to Canada (immigrated in Sep 2009). My total income for 2009 was zero. In May, 2010 I got a job in a financial services company. My income for 2010 is $55,000 approx. My wife is a homemaker. We have a 2 year old. I want to open an RRSP account. My questions are: should I open an account for myself or my wife so that I can get the most tax savings? What is the maximum that  I contribute for the year? 
Thank you for your help,
Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question for you. I am a new immigrant to Canada (immigrated in Sep 2009). My total income for 2009 was zero. In May, 2010 I got a job in a financial services company. My income for 2010 is $55,000 approx. My wife is a homemaker. We have a 2 year old. I want to open an RRSP account. My questions are: should I open an account for myself or my wife so that I can get the most tax savings? What is the maximum that  I contribute for the year?<br />
Thank you for your help,<br />
Sam</p>
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		<title>By: rick_k</title>
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		<dc:creator>rick_k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frugal trader 
good strategy except for in quebec where the interest expense is adjusted since there is no interest earned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frugal trader<br />
good strategy except for in quebec where the interest expense is adjusted since there is no interest earned</p>
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		<title>By: Bhangi</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/rrsp-meltdown-strategy.htm/comment-page-1#comment-67589</link>
		<dc:creator>Bhangi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if any of you have considered a slight variation of this strategy.  Instead of starting this strategy closer towards retirement, start it ASAP.

1) Obtain an interest only investment loan and make the interest payments through RRSP withdrawls.

2) Invest in Canadian Dividend paying stocks and use the dividends to decrease the principal.

3) Every year, add additional funds to the RRSP account for obvious tax advantages.  And since more funds are now available, have the loan amount increased accordingly and invest in additional Canadian Dividend paying stocks.

4) Due to dividend growth, hopefully the income stream from dividends should be enough to support an early retirement 15-20 years down the road.  At this point, stop contributing any further to the RRSP and exhaust the remaining RRSP funds towards the loan interest.  

5) In a few years when the RRSP has been depleted, the income should have achieved such levels where a retirement and loan interest should be covered.  Any remaining income can be used to pay off additional principal.

6) Keep enjoying an increasing income and it is up to your discretion as to how much want to contribute towards the principal to pay off the loan faster or keep the loan and make interest only payments, similar to the Smith Manouver. 

I have not run through the numbers but just wanted to throw this idea out there and get your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if any of you have considered a slight variation of this strategy.  Instead of starting this strategy closer towards retirement, start it ASAP.</p>
<p>1) Obtain an interest only investment loan and make the interest payments through RRSP withdrawls.</p>
<p>2) Invest in Canadian Dividend paying stocks and use the dividends to decrease the principal.</p>
<p>3) Every year, add additional funds to the RRSP account for obvious tax advantages.  And since more funds are now available, have the loan amount increased accordingly and invest in additional Canadian Dividend paying stocks.</p>
<p>4) Due to dividend growth, hopefully the income stream from dividends should be enough to support an early retirement 15-20 years down the road.  At this point, stop contributing any further to the RRSP and exhaust the remaining RRSP funds towards the loan interest.  </p>
<p>5) In a few years when the RRSP has been depleted, the income should have achieved such levels where a retirement and loan interest should be covered.  Any remaining income can be used to pay off additional principal.</p>
<p>6) Keep enjoying an increasing income and it is up to your discretion as to how much want to contribute towards the principal to pay off the loan faster or keep the loan and make interest only payments, similar to the Smith Manouver. </p>
<p>I have not run through the numbers but just wanted to throw this idea out there and get your input.</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DK,

That&#039;s right and in fact even the withholding tax is monitored for cumulative withdrawals.  I had initially thought you could take out $5,000 amounts as often as you want and only have 10% withholding tax each time but it doesn&#039;t work that way.  That first dollar after $5,000 is taxed at 20%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DK,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right and in fact even the withholding tax is monitored for cumulative withdrawals.  I had initially thought you could take out $5,000 amounts as often as you want and only have 10% withholding tax each time but it doesn&#8217;t work that way.  That first dollar after $5,000 is taxed at 20%.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

The withholding tax is not &quot;in addition&quot; to income tax, it&#039;s only an &quot;advance&quot; -- so the CRA gets their money sooner (or more accurately: to make sure they get it at all and you don&#039;t simply run off with the money).  When you file your return the CRA calculates how much tax you owe versus how much was withheld and then credit or debit you accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>The withholding tax is not &#8220;in addition&#8221; to income tax, it&#8217;s only an &#8220;advance&#8221; &#8212; so the CRA gets their money sooner (or more accurately: to make sure they get it at all and you don&#8217;t simply run off with the money).  When you file your return the CRA calculates how much tax you owe versus how much was withheld and then credit or debit you accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frugal Trader:

Your technique is flawed.  There is something called witholding tax, which you pay in addition to income taxes when you withdrawal money from your RRSP.  The taxes do not cancel out. 

Best of Luck,

Matt Noel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frugal Trader:</p>
<p>Your technique is flawed.  There is something called witholding tax, which you pay in addition to income taxes when you withdrawal money from your RRSP.  The taxes do not cancel out. </p>
<p>Best of Luck,</p>
<p>Matt Noel</p>
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		<title>By: How Registered Retirement Income Funds (RRIF) Work &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Registered Retirement Income Funds (RRIF) Work &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/rrsp-meltdown-strategy.htm/comment-page-1#comment-26130</link>
		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acorn, technically, it would work,but your investment loan would slowly become non tax deductible as you withdraw your ROC distributions.  Please see this article:
http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/key-tax-considerations-on-an-investment-loan.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acorn, technically, it would work,but your investment loan would slowly become non tax deductible as you withdraw your ROC distributions.  Please see this article:<br />
<a href="http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/key-tax-considerations-on-an-investment-loan.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/key-tax-considerations-on-an-investment-loan.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this scheme… Use RRSP to support an investment loan. Use this loan to invest in a “T” fund (as it was suggested – see comment #5). Receive distributions that are 100% ROC (tax free) . Use these monthly distributions, which generally will be LARGER than monthly RRSP withdrawal, to make a NEW RRSP contribution. So, instead of RRSP meltdown we have RRSP build up + a nice RRSP tax refund, which can be invested back in a “T” fund. Zero money from your pocket for this “Anti-meltdown maneuver” to grow your RRSP and support non-registered investments. Will it work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this scheme… Use RRSP to support an investment loan. Use this loan to invest in a “T” fund (as it was suggested – see comment #5). Receive distributions that are 100% ROC (tax free) . Use these monthly distributions, which generally will be LARGER than monthly RRSP withdrawal, to make a NEW RRSP contribution. So, instead of RRSP meltdown we have RRSP build up + a nice RRSP tax refund, which can be invested back in a “T” fund. Zero money from your pocket for this “Anti-meltdown maneuver” to grow your RRSP and support non-registered investments. Will it work?</p>
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		<title>By: layman</title>
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		<dc:creator>layman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its February 11th, I determined a contribution of 20,000 pays a 30.6% and 25,000 pays 30% using Ufiles Max Back calculator so which should I do? 

I have just sold my home and will be purchasing the rrsp off the &quot;Canadian Tire One and Only Account&quot; until completion on my home. I then intend to take a 2 year sabatical where my tax bracket will be lower. My question should I top up max (49,000) and withdraw at the lower rate now, should I set up a fixed rate sub account for this contribution and how do I find the dividend paying stocks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its February 11th, I determined a contribution of 20,000 pays a 30.6% and 25,000 pays 30% using Ufiles Max Back calculator so which should I do? </p>
<p>I have just sold my home and will be purchasing the rrsp off the &#8220;Canadian Tire One and Only Account&#8221; until completion on my home. I then intend to take a 2 year sabatical where my tax bracket will be lower. My question should I top up max (49,000) and withdraw at the lower rate now, should I set up a fixed rate sub account for this contribution and how do I find the dividend paying stocks?</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, yes, according to CRA, if you borrow to invest, you need &quot;reasonable&quot; expectation of income/profit.  However, if you invest in a stock, there is a &quot;reasonable expectation&quot; that it &quot;could&quot; pay a dividend in the future.

In addition to this, if you are at the point of withdrawing from your RRSP, it&#039;s most likely that you&#039;re in a lower tax bracket anyways.  So if you put your investment loan towards dividend paying stock, it will be taxed very little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, yes, according to CRA, if you borrow to invest, you need &#8220;reasonable&#8221; expectation of income/profit.  However, if you invest in a stock, there is a &#8220;reasonable expectation&#8221; that it &#8220;could&#8221; pay a dividend in the future.</p>
<p>In addition to this, if you are at the point of withdrawing from your RRSP, it&#8217;s most likely that you&#8217;re in a lower tax bracket anyways.  So if you put your investment loan towards dividend paying stock, it will be taxed very little.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew.Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew.Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well,  i am very comfused.  
this is the CRA&#039;s page i see.   i don&#039;t know if i get it idea wrong or not.   

&quot;...Most interest you pay on money you borrow for investment purposes, but generally only as long as you use it to try to earn investment income, including interest and dividends. However, if the only earnings your investment can produce are capital gains, you cannot claim the interest you paid. &quot;

url is http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/topics/income-tax/return/completing/deductions/lines206-236/221/menu-e.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well,  i am very comfused.<br />
this is the CRA&#8217;s page i see.   i don&#8217;t know if i get it idea wrong or not.   </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Most interest you pay on money you borrow for investment purposes, but generally only as long as you use it to try to earn investment income, including interest and dividends. However, if the only earnings your investment can produce are capital gains, you cannot claim the interest you paid. &#8221;</p>
<p>url is <a href="http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/topics/income-tax/return/completing/deductions/lines206-236/221/menu-e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/topics/income-tax/return/completing/deductions/lines206-236/221/menu-e.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, 
This is the way that the RRSP meltdown method works.  When you withdraw from your RRSP, it is taxed as income at your marginal rate.  If you get an investment loan, the interest paid is tax deductible.   Thus, if you get a large interest only investment loan, and make the payments with RRSP withdrawals, the tax owing and tax deduction cancel out each other.

This is not MY strategy, it is a strategy that is well documented by financial experts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,<br />
This is the way that the RRSP meltdown method works.  When you withdraw from your RRSP, it is taxed as income at your marginal rate.  If you get an investment loan, the interest paid is tax deductible.   Thus, if you get a large interest only investment loan, and make the payments with RRSP withdrawals, the tax owing and tax deduction cancel out each other.</p>
<p>This is not MY strategy, it is a strategy that is well documented by financial experts.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew.Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew.Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand what make you think this strategy work???  it is because as i know, the interest you pay for the investment loan can&#039;t be deduce by capital gain and normal income.   

so.  your strategy is not working!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what make you think this strategy work???  it is because as i know, the interest you pay for the investment loan can&#8217;t be deduce by capital gain and normal income.   </p>
<p>so.  your strategy is not working!!</p>
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		<dc:creator>www.bestretirementadvisor.info &#187; Comment on RRSP Meltdown Strategy by www.bestretirementadvisor &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] www.bestretirementadvisor.info &#194;&#187; RRSP Meltdown Strategy wrote a fantastic post today on &#8220;Comment on RRSP Meltdown Strategy by www.bestretirementadvisor &#8230;&#8221;Here&#8217;s ONLY a quick extractFrugalTrader wrote a fantastic post today on “RRSP Meltdown Strategy”Here’s ONLY a quick extractNote that if you have a very large dividend based portfolio, it may affect your Old Age Security (OAS) payout. Dividends are grossed up &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: www.bestretirementadvisor.info &#187; RRSP Meltdown Strategy</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.bestretirementadvisor.info &#187; RRSP Meltdown Strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] FrugalTrader wrote a fantastic post today on &#8220;RRSP Meltdown Strategy&#8221;Here&#8217;s ONLY a quick extractNote that if you have a very large dividend based portfolio, it may affect your Old Age Security (OAS) payout. Dividends are grossed up (45%) which is counted as your income for OAS calculation purposes. When should you do this? &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pauls:

There are no panaceas.  So, this would not work for you as you are not comfortable with borrowing to invest.

In my situation, I could start withdrawing from my self-directed RRSPs next year for example.  I would continue to contribute to my work RRSP and, if it made sense, contribute to a new self-directed RRSP.

I would borrow a significant amount to invest (in my case it would be twice the size of my current self-directed RRSP holdings) and invest that in dividend paying stocks as you suggest.  I would withdraw enough from my RRSP to pay the interest on the investment loan.

In 10 years, the situation would be:

- a non-registered portfolio probably 5 times the size of my original self-directed RRSP
- an investment loan about twice as big as my original self-directed RRSP
- no original self-directed RRSP
(the work and new self-directed RRSP should be unaffected by this strategy, although one could argue the investment mix might be different because of such a large non-registered portfolio. Let&#039;s leave this aside for simplicity.)

If I didn&#039;t go through this process, the portion earmarked for meltdown would be about double what it is now and I would have no investment loan.

I believe that the combination of a non-registered portfolio at 5x with the liability of an investment loan at 2x is worth more than a registered portfolio of 2x.  In fact, I think a non-registered portfolio of 2x is worth more than a registered portfolio of 2x.

Here are some numbers from my calculator:

A $100k RRSP that grows at 8% annually will be worth about $215k in 10 years.  But, you still would have to pay tax on the withdrawals. 

On the other hand, if you take out a loan today at 6.25% in the amount of $230k, then the interest costs would be around $1,200 / month.  So, you take $1,200 / month from your RRSP to pay that loan&#039;s interest (we&#039;ve already discussed the issue with withholding tax).  Ten year from today your RRSP is gone, but you have a $230k loan and a portfolio which, at 8%, grew to almost $500k.  

If for some reason, you decided you were going to take all of the money in either case to go buy that boat you&#039;ve had your eye on, well in Ontario you would give up 46% of the RRSP and you would be left with $116k.  In the meltdown case, after discharging the loan and paying capital gains taxes, you would have $205k - almost double the RRSP and in fact almost the same amount of the RRSP *before* taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pauls:</p>
<p>There are no panaceas.  So, this would not work for you as you are not comfortable with borrowing to invest.</p>
<p>In my situation, I could start withdrawing from my self-directed RRSPs next year for example.  I would continue to contribute to my work RRSP and, if it made sense, contribute to a new self-directed RRSP.</p>
<p>I would borrow a significant amount to invest (in my case it would be twice the size of my current self-directed RRSP holdings) and invest that in dividend paying stocks as you suggest.  I would withdraw enough from my RRSP to pay the interest on the investment loan.</p>
<p>In 10 years, the situation would be:</p>
<p>- a non-registered portfolio probably 5 times the size of my original self-directed RRSP<br />
- an investment loan about twice as big as my original self-directed RRSP<br />
- no original self-directed RRSP<br />
(the work and new self-directed RRSP should be unaffected by this strategy, although one could argue the investment mix might be different because of such a large non-registered portfolio. Let&#8217;s leave this aside for simplicity.)</p>
<p>If I didn&#8217;t go through this process, the portion earmarked for meltdown would be about double what it is now and I would have no investment loan.</p>
<p>I believe that the combination of a non-registered portfolio at 5x with the liability of an investment loan at 2x is worth more than a registered portfolio of 2x.  In fact, I think a non-registered portfolio of 2x is worth more than a registered portfolio of 2x.</p>
<p>Here are some numbers from my calculator:</p>
<p>A $100k RRSP that grows at 8% annually will be worth about $215k in 10 years.  But, you still would have to pay tax on the withdrawals. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if you take out a loan today at 6.25% in the amount of $230k, then the interest costs would be around $1,200 / month.  So, you take $1,200 / month from your RRSP to pay that loan&#8217;s interest (we&#8217;ve already discussed the issue with withholding tax).  Ten year from today your RRSP is gone, but you have a $230k loan and a portfolio which, at 8%, grew to almost $500k.  </p>
<p>If for some reason, you decided you were going to take all of the money in either case to go buy that boat you&#8217;ve had your eye on, well in Ontario you would give up 46% of the RRSP and you would be left with $116k.  In the meltdown case, after discharging the loan and paying capital gains taxes, you would have $205k &#8211; almost double the RRSP and in fact almost the same amount of the RRSP *before* taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT:
So the assumption is you have maxed out your RRSP or for some reason you have no income to be able to add more each year and get the tax refund?  What am I missing?  I know they are not mutually exclusive.  But one method has you laying your future on the line with leverage.

Let&#039;s contribute to our RRSPs until we can&#039;t anymore, use the tax refund to buy dividend paying stocks (or pay off a mortgage if you still have one).  Boring I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT:<br />
So the assumption is you have maxed out your RRSP or for some reason you have no income to be able to add more each year and get the tax refund?  What am I missing?  I know they are not mutually exclusive.  But one method has you laying your future on the line with leverage.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s contribute to our RRSPs until we can&#8217;t anymore, use the tax refund to buy dividend paying stocks (or pay off a mortgage if you still have one).  Boring I know.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pauls, this article is not for the young person still building their RRSP.  It&#039;s a method of withdrawing from your RRSP, when you&#039;re ready for retirement, tax free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pauls, this article is not for the young person still building their RRSP.  It&#8217;s a method of withdrawing from your RRSP, when you&#8217;re ready for retirement, tax free.</p>
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