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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/private-canadian-corporations-and-taxes-scenarios.htm/comment-page-1#comment-49045</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amit, you should also check with your accountant / lawyer to ensure that your business won&#039;t be considered a PSB (personal services business).  If the CRA deems you so, you have less deductions available to you and end up paying more tax than if you remained self-employed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amit, you should also check with your accountant / lawyer to ensure that your business won&#8217;t be considered a PSB (personal services business).  If the CRA deems you so, you have less deductions available to you and end up paying more tax than if you remained self-employed.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melinda, it really depends on the province that you live in.  But regardless, it still works out to be about the same if you withdraw as dividend or salary.  I will have to look over the tax rules for BC again, I may do a post about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melinda, it really depends on the province that you live in.  But regardless, it still works out to be about the same if you withdraw as dividend or salary.  I will have to look over the tax rules for BC again, I may do a post about it!</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/private-canadian-corporations-and-taxes-scenarios.htm/comment-page-1#comment-49035</link>
		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amit, I don&#039;t see CRA having any issues with splitting the income providing that your wife is a legitimate partner.

With regards to incorporation, it would allow retained earnings to grow at a lower tax rate.  As mentioned in the article, as soon as money is withdrawn, the taxation equals out.  In your situation, it might work out for the better as your wife already works and has an income.  Of course, you would have to work out the numbers yourself or with an accountant first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amit, I don&#8217;t see CRA having any issues with splitting the income providing that your wife is a legitimate partner.</p>
<p>With regards to incorporation, it would allow retained earnings to grow at a lower tax rate.  As mentioned in the article, as soon as money is withdrawn, the taxation equals out.  In your situation, it might work out for the better as your wife already works and has an income.  Of course, you would have to work out the numbers yourself or with an accountant first.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi FT,

I believe awhile back you had a link to a John Chow blog post about setting up your blog as a corporation. According to John Chow, an individual with no other income can withdraw about $33k per person ($33k for himself &amp; $33k for his wife per year) tax free as dividends per year and have the corporation being taxed at about 15%.  Maybe you might want to write another blog entry following up on John Chow&#039;s blog entry on the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi FT,</p>
<p>I believe awhile back you had a link to a John Chow blog post about setting up your blog as a corporation. According to John Chow, an individual with no other income can withdraw about $33k per person ($33k for himself &amp; $33k for his wife per year) tax free as dividends per year and have the corporation being taxed at about 15%.  Maybe you might want to write another blog entry following up on John Chow&#8217;s blog entry on the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/private-canadian-corporations-and-taxes-scenarios.htm/comment-page-1#comment-48971</link>
		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I have a partnership with my spouse, and I do all the work (no other employees) and hence split the income between my wife and myself, will CRA cause any issues? The partnership income may reach upto ~200K/yr while my wife does have a regular job of $30K - effectively making her income at the end of the year as $130K while mine as $100K. Will there be any benefit in incorporating? We have two kids under 6.

Can anyone suggest a good accountant that they use in either Vancouver or in Calgary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I have a partnership with my spouse, and I do all the work (no other employees) and hence split the income between my wife and myself, will CRA cause any issues? The partnership income may reach upto ~200K/yr while my wife does have a regular job of $30K &#8211; effectively making her income at the end of the year as $130K while mine as $100K. Will there be any benefit in incorporating? We have two kids under 6.</p>
<p>Can anyone suggest a good accountant that they use in either Vancouver or in Calgary?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not really going to save much in the end from the tax man with funds you are pulling out of the corporation, either as salaries or dividends.  Dividends enjoy a bit of a break, but salary allows RRSP contribution room and CPP contributions.

The biggest advantage of a corporation is being able to flow expenses through and pay them with pre-tax dollars.  The larger your business is, the easier it is to flow more and more expenses through that you would normally have to pay with after-tax dollars and easily justify them in the eyes of CRA as being legitimate business expenses.  The real advantages start to occur in the $100k-$500k revenue range.  Below that and whatever you manage to save will just get eaten up with added corporate fees (accounting, legal, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not really going to save much in the end from the tax man with funds you are pulling out of the corporation, either as salaries or dividends.  Dividends enjoy a bit of a break, but salary allows RRSP contribution room and CPP contributions.</p>
<p>The biggest advantage of a corporation is being able to flow expenses through and pay them with pre-tax dollars.  The larger your business is, the easier it is to flow more and more expenses through that you would normally have to pay with after-tax dollars and easily justify them in the eyes of CRA as being legitimate business expenses.  The real advantages start to occur in the $100k-$500k revenue range.  Below that and whatever you manage to save will just get eaten up with added corporate fees (accounting, legal, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thought with my own business was to transfer retained earnings (cash) from one corp to another one that generates a fairly steady income stream.  I was figuring that would help the business grow to the 750k threshold and I could sell it in whole or piecemeal if I got bored of it in retirement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thought with my own business was to transfer retained earnings (cash) from one corp to another one that generates a fairly steady income stream.  I was figuring that would help the business grow to the 750k threshold and I could sell it in whole or piecemeal if I got bored of it in retirement.</p>
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		<title>By: blaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose, though, really your best bet is just to try to grow your business to be worth $750K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose, though, really your best bet is just to try to grow your business to be worth $750K.</p>
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		<title>By: blaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, that&#039;s sounds likely.

What about scenario 2, then, retaining earnings in your corp until you get enough to purchase a business when you then sell all the shares for your $750K capital gains exemption?

Only at the time of sale, does 90% of the assets have to be engaged in active business.  

And if you only do this once (just before you cash out) in the entire lifetime of your corp.. that&#039;s hardly habitual, and I&#039;m sure you can manage the optics to make it appear as if you were &#039;intending&#039; on running it as a real business.

The advantage to this is that you only pay corp tax on your retained earnings and some transactional fees for buying the business in the middle (which I suppose, can be large or smaller depending on how well you negotiate).

Does this make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, that&#8217;s sounds likely.</p>
<p>What about scenario 2, then, retaining earnings in your corp until you get enough to purchase a business when you then sell all the shares for your $750K capital gains exemption?</p>
<p>Only at the time of sale, does 90% of the assets have to be engaged in active business.  </p>
<p>And if you only do this once (just before you cash out) in the entire lifetime of your corp.. that&#8217;s hardly habitual, and I&#8217;m sure you can manage the optics to make it appear as if you were &#8216;intending&#8217; on running it as a real business.</p>
<p>The advantage to this is that you only pay corp tax on your retained earnings and some transactional fees for buying the business in the middle (which I suppose, can be large or smaller depending on how well you negotiate).</p>
<p>Does this make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/private-canadian-corporations-and-taxes-scenarios.htm/comment-page-1#comment-48831</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blaze, flipping a property as a business is not a capital gain, in the eyes of the CRA it may be construed as active business income.

Just to draw your attention to CRA IT-218. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it218r/it218r-e.html  It discusses whether the sale of property is a capital gain, or business income

Drawing your attention to two sections the CRA can treat habitual property flipping as business income.

5. A taxpayer&#039;s intention at the time of purchase of real estate is relevant in determining whether a gain on its sale will be treated as business income or as a capital gain. It is possible for a taxpayer to have an alternate or secondary intention, at the time of acquiring real estate, of reselling it at a profit if the main or primary intention is thwarted. If this secondary intention is carried out any gain realized on the sale usually will be taxed as business income.

6. The more closely a taxpayer&#039;s business or occupation (e.g. a builder, a real estate agent) is related to real estate transactions, the more likely it is that any gain realized by the taxpayer from such a transaction will be considered to be business income rather than a capital gain (see 3(f) and (j) above).

For example, my university tax prof used to talk about the hard luck farmer who would buy properties, discover they&#039;d be marginal for farming but he&#039;d &quot;find&quot; tonnes of gravel on the property and sell them for a large (capital) gain.  The CRA caught him because he was expensing geological survey reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blaze, flipping a property as a business is not a capital gain, in the eyes of the CRA it may be construed as active business income.</p>
<p>Just to draw your attention to CRA IT-218. <a href="http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it218r/it218r-e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tp/it218r/it218r-e.html</a>  It discusses whether the sale of property is a capital gain, or business income</p>
<p>Drawing your attention to two sections the CRA can treat habitual property flipping as business income.</p>
<p>5. A taxpayer&#8217;s intention at the time of purchase of real estate is relevant in determining whether a gain on its sale will be treated as business income or as a capital gain. It is possible for a taxpayer to have an alternate or secondary intention, at the time of acquiring real estate, of reselling it at a profit if the main or primary intention is thwarted. If this secondary intention is carried out any gain realized on the sale usually will be taxed as business income.</p>
<p>6. The more closely a taxpayer&#8217;s business or occupation (e.g. a builder, a real estate agent) is related to real estate transactions, the more likely it is that any gain realized by the taxpayer from such a transaction will be considered to be business income rather than a capital gain (see 3(f) and (j) above).</p>
<p>For example, my university tax prof used to talk about the hard luck farmer who would buy properties, discover they&#8217;d be marginal for farming but he&#8217;d &#8220;find&#8221; tonnes of gravel on the property and sell them for a large (capital) gain.  The CRA caught him because he was expensing geological survey reports.</p>
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		<title>By: blaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the other approach is to retain earnings, and then when you get close to 750K, buy a business with your retained earnings, and then keep it for 24 months, and then sell the whole thing tax exempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the other approach is to retain earnings, and then when you get close to 750K, buy a business with your retained earnings, and then keep it for 24 months, and then sell the whole thing tax exempt.</p>
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		<title>By: blaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By flipping several times, I think it&#039;s like roughly 5 times.  Maybe the tax rate would be 7% instead of 9%, depending on your province.  

If I tried to do this as a real estate person sole propietor, I&#039;d have to pay 50% of my marginal rate on each flip, which would mean there&#039;d be up to a 20% tax rate on each flip.   Which means I&#039;d have to flip 6 and a bit times.

Which, in the scheme of things, probably isn&#039;t a big deal.  What&#039;s one more flip if you&#039;ve done it 5 times already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By flipping several times, I think it&#8217;s like roughly 5 times.  Maybe the tax rate would be 7% instead of 9%, depending on your province.  </p>
<p>If I tried to do this as a real estate person sole propietor, I&#8217;d have to pay 50% of my marginal rate on each flip, which would mean there&#8217;d be up to a 20% tax rate on each flip.   Which means I&#8217;d have to flip 6 and a bit times.</p>
<p>Which, in the scheme of things, probably isn&#8217;t a big deal.  What&#8217;s one more flip if you&#8217;ve done it 5 times already?</p>
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		<title>By: ThickenMyWallet</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThickenMyWallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MGL- &quot;Dividend sprinkling&quot; is, indeed, a viable strategy and usually pursued by entrepreneurs with some sophistication. As you indicated, you file articles of incorporation with Class A, B, C, D etc. of shares. Each class of shares is issued only to a family member (i.e. owner-manger is issued Class A, spouse is issued Class B, Jr. is issued Class C). The key is that the articles of incorporation allow the directors to sprinkle dividends to any class of shares as they see fit to the exclusion of the other classes of shares (since each individual holds separate class of shares, you are not treating anyone unfairly in the eyes of the law) or to all the classes of shares in whatever proportion the directors wish. 

It is a &quot;safer&quot; approach to income splitting than employing your spouse or kids since CRA will not engage in a reasonableness test for the payment of dividend but when you employ a family member CRA will look at how much you paid your spouse in relation to the work done (since people abuse this income splitting move). 

FT: The advantage of dividend payments and dividend sprinkling is that it is at the discretion of the directors assuming after  the corporation can meet its obligations as they become due after the payment of the dividend (the only real test of declaring a dividend). Thus, if in any given year, you are better off claiming the spousal credit, then don&#039;t declare a dividend and keep the money in the business or sprinkle the dividend to another class of shares rather than the shares owned by your spouse. Dividend sprinkling, however, is usually only done when the corporation has a lot of free cash flow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MGL- &#8220;Dividend sprinkling&#8221; is, indeed, a viable strategy and usually pursued by entrepreneurs with some sophistication. As you indicated, you file articles of incorporation with Class A, B, C, D etc. of shares. Each class of shares is issued only to a family member (i.e. owner-manger is issued Class A, spouse is issued Class B, Jr. is issued Class C). The key is that the articles of incorporation allow the directors to sprinkle dividends to any class of shares as they see fit to the exclusion of the other classes of shares (since each individual holds separate class of shares, you are not treating anyone unfairly in the eyes of the law) or to all the classes of shares in whatever proportion the directors wish. </p>
<p>It is a &#8220;safer&#8221; approach to income splitting than employing your spouse or kids since CRA will not engage in a reasonableness test for the payment of dividend but when you employ a family member CRA will look at how much you paid your spouse in relation to the work done (since people abuse this income splitting move). </p>
<p>FT: The advantage of dividend payments and dividend sprinkling is that it is at the discretion of the directors assuming after  the corporation can meet its obligations as they become due after the payment of the dividend (the only real test of declaring a dividend). Thus, if in any given year, you are better off claiming the spousal credit, then don&#8217;t declare a dividend and keep the money in the business or sprinkle the dividend to another class of shares rather than the shares owned by your spouse. Dividend sprinkling, however, is usually only done when the corporation has a lot of free cash flow.</p>
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		<title>By: blaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>blaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK let&#039;s see if this is right.

Let&#039;s say I had 300K invested in my corp.  I bought a business (non corp, unless I wanted to hold it for 24 months .. right?), prettied it up, and flipped it for 360K.   The corp only has to pay 50% of the gains as taxes, right?  The business would go under the heading of &#039;eligible capital property&#039;, correct?

Now, let&#039;s say I did that several times, until I reached my upper limit exemption of 750K.   

Then I sold the whole kit and kaboodle..  Nothing goes to the tax man, correct?

I parlayed 300K into 750K, paying only a 9% tax rate along the way of each flip.

Am I missing something here?  Gaar, maybe?  I don&#039;t think Gaar gets called upon that often, from what I know.  It&#039;s a pretty sucky law (it&#039;s tax avoidance if we say so)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK let&#8217;s see if this is right.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say I had 300K invested in my corp.  I bought a business (non corp, unless I wanted to hold it for 24 months .. right?), prettied it up, and flipped it for 360K.   The corp only has to pay 50% of the gains as taxes, right?  The business would go under the heading of &#8216;eligible capital property&#8217;, correct?</p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s say I did that several times, until I reached my upper limit exemption of 750K.   </p>
<p>Then I sold the whole kit and kaboodle..  Nothing goes to the tax man, correct?</p>
<p>I parlayed 300K into 750K, paying only a 9% tax rate along the way of each flip.</p>
<p>Am I missing something here?  Gaar, maybe?  I don&#8217;t think Gaar gets called upon that often, from what I know.  It&#8217;s a pretty sucky law (it&#8217;s tax avoidance if we say so)</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyGrubbingLawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyGrubbingLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t very difficult to set up separate share classes where one class could receive dividends without having to pay on all classes. Jim could have common and his wife could have preferred, or you could create multiple classes of preferred if needed. 

Good point about the spousal amount- that would wipe out a good portion of the savings. However, if the wife had a low income rather than no income, I&#039;m thinking it wouldn&#039;t make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t very difficult to set up separate share classes where one class could receive dividends without having to pay on all classes. Jim could have common and his wife could have preferred, or you could create multiple classes of preferred if needed. </p>
<p>Good point about the spousal amount- that would wipe out a good portion of the savings. However, if the wife had a low income rather than no income, I&#8217;m thinking it wouldn&#8217;t make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MGL, the only issue with that is that the corp would have to be structured so that the wife would receive dividends and not the husband, is this a big process?

Another issue is that the added income would take away from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/spousal-amount-uccb-and-cctb.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;spousal credit&lt;/a&gt;.  I would need to work out the numbers to see which case is more tax efficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MGL, the only issue with that is that the corp would have to be structured so that the wife would receive dividends and not the husband, is this a big process?</p>
<p>Another issue is that the added income would take away from the <a href="http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/spousal-amount-uccb-and-cctb.htm" rel="nofollow">spousal credit</a>.  I would need to work out the numbers to see which case is more tax efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyGrubbingLawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyGrubbingLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT, there is another scenario that may work in some cases- issuing preferred shares and dividends to a spouse or adult child with a lower income. 

Let&#039;s say that in the first scenario, Jim&#039;s wife is a stay-at-home mom with minimal income. Rather than distributing dividends to Jim, the full $10k could be distributed to his wife. Rather than being taxed at Jim&#039;s higher rate, these would be taxed at her lower rate of 4.35%, saving the couple $3,723. 

I know that there are a few traps to this approach, but my understanding is that this is a viable option. Anybody with more expertise care to correct me on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT, there is another scenario that may work in some cases- issuing preferred shares and dividends to a spouse or adult child with a lower income. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say that in the first scenario, Jim&#8217;s wife is a stay-at-home mom with minimal income. Rather than distributing dividends to Jim, the full $10k could be distributed to his wife. Rather than being taxed at Jim&#8217;s higher rate, these would be taxed at her lower rate of 4.35%, saving the couple $3,723. </p>
<p>I know that there are a few traps to this approach, but my understanding is that this is a viable option. Anybody with more expertise care to correct me on this?</p>
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		<title>By: ThickenMyWallet</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThickenMyWallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One HUGE caveat. There are tax rules about corporations paying its owner-managers nothing but dividend month after month. I can&#039;t cite the rule (any accountants out there?) but at the very least, you may trigger GAAR (general anti-avoidance rule) if someone reported $60,000 in dividend and $0 in salary. This is the reason why MikeG&#039;s accountant uses that rule of thumb. You have to mix up salary and dividends and cannot rely solely on the latter as a way to pay yourself.

It also bears mentioning that pre-incorporation expenses and money put into the business by the owner-manager before it was profitable can be classified as a shareholder loan to the corp. and with-drawn tax free (assuming that the loan to the corp. was using after-tax monies). An accountant can set up the proper ledgers to support this method of with-drawing money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One HUGE caveat. There are tax rules about corporations paying its owner-managers nothing but dividend month after month. I can&#8217;t cite the rule (any accountants out there?) but at the very least, you may trigger GAAR (general anti-avoidance rule) if someone reported $60,000 in dividend and $0 in salary. This is the reason why MikeG&#8217;s accountant uses that rule of thumb. You have to mix up salary and dividends and cannot rely solely on the latter as a way to pay yourself.</p>
<p>It also bears mentioning that pre-incorporation expenses and money put into the business by the owner-manager before it was profitable can be classified as a shareholder loan to the corp. and with-drawn tax free (assuming that the loan to the corp. was using after-tax monies). An accountant can set up the proper ledgers to support this method of with-drawing money.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Tax accountant suggested this rule of thumb: 

Retain all the earnings you want to reinvest in the business. Then pay yourself a salary upto the max for CPP. Then dividends for any additional money you want to take out.

I dont know the facts or figures around that rule of thumb, just that she said it and she&#039;s been an accountant for a very long time..

-MikeG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Tax accountant suggested this rule of thumb: </p>
<p>Retain all the earnings you want to reinvest in the business. Then pay yourself a salary upto the max for CPP. Then dividends for any additional money you want to take out.</p>
<p>I dont know the facts or figures around that rule of thumb, just that she said it and she&#8217;s been an accountant for a very long time..</p>
<p>-MikeG</p>
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		<title>By: DAvid</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAvid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the article above Frugal Trader said: &lt;b&gt;the biggest benefit of holding a private corporation is for the tax deferral and the capital gains exemption if the company is sold.&lt;/b&gt;

That is a doubly big &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, as the &lt;b&gt;shares&lt;/b&gt; of the company must be sold. If it is a sale of assets, then the rule does not apply, unfortunately. This can make big difference in your tax planning, but your crystal ball has to be in fine form to make the prediction. The second &#039;if&#039; is of course that you have created a business that another sees sufficient value to purchase, rather than parallel it by creating a competing business. 

Reference: http://www.taxtips.ca/smallbusiness/capitalgainsdeduction.htm

DAvid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the article above Frugal Trader said: <b>the biggest benefit of holding a private corporation is for the tax deferral and the capital gains exemption if the company is sold.</b></p>
<p>That is a doubly big <b><i>if</i></b>, as the <b>shares</b> of the company must be sold. If it is a sale of assets, then the rule does not apply, unfortunately. This can make big difference in your tax planning, but your crystal ball has to be in fine form to make the prediction. The second &#8216;if&#8217; is of course that you have created a business that another sees sufficient value to purchase, rather than parallel it by creating a competing business. </p>
<p>Reference: <a href="http://www.taxtips.ca/smallbusiness/capitalgainsdeduction.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.taxtips.ca/smallbusiness/capitalgainsdeduction.htm</a></p>
<p>DAvid</p>
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