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		<title>By: KK</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/myths-about-leveraging-into-equities-part-2.htm/comment-page-1#comment-97781</link>
		<dc:creator>KK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks this market is definitely over heated... the cycle of market correction of being 10 yrs is always true..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks this market is definitely over heated&#8230; the cycle of market correction of being 10 yrs is always true..</p>
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		<title>By: Sitting on cash and taunting the Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sitting on cash and taunting the Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ED,

Are you for real? Look at your foolish comments about the market not being overheated. I am a novice investor and I have been in cash since October. When all the suckers panic, I buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ED,</p>
<p>Are you for real? Look at your foolish comments about the market not being overheated. I am a novice investor and I have been in cash since October. When all the suckers panic, I buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Rempel</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/myths-about-leveraging-into-equities-part-2.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6286</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Rempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam,

I&#039;ve just returned from the CFP conference in Calgary. Quite interesting.

Regarding your question: &quot;Do you believe in leveraging at this point..with the markets overheated……&quot;

Which market is overheated? Most Canadian investors and even most advisors have this wierd drive to invest primarily in Canada. This phenomenon is common in most of the world. Even in Iceland, 70 of all equity investments are into Iceland stocks. (Can you name one?)

I agree, there are some risks investing in Canada now, where we are 75% in rocks, trees and banks - all of which are quite high. This is true of other resource-based economies.China is also very high and probably will have a major crash.

The global and US markets, however, have just recently made it up to their last high from 2000. This is over 7 years, which is the longest time they have had without growth since the 1930&#039;s. If you invest globablly or in the US, they are definitely not over-heated.

Leverage is a very effective strategy if done right and invested effectively, so it is smart to minimize your exposure to over-heated markets. At the moment, I would suggest keeping your Canadian equities to a max of 25%.




Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just returned from the CFP conference in Calgary. Quite interesting.</p>
<p>Regarding your question: &#8220;Do you believe in leveraging at this point..with the markets overheated……&#8221;</p>
<p>Which market is overheated? Most Canadian investors and even most advisors have this wierd drive to invest primarily in Canada. This phenomenon is common in most of the world. Even in Iceland, 70 of all equity investments are into Iceland stocks. (Can you name one?)</p>
<p>I agree, there are some risks investing in Canada now, where we are 75% in rocks, trees and banks &#8211; all of which are quite high. This is true of other resource-based economies.China is also very high and probably will have a major crash.</p>
<p>The global and US markets, however, have just recently made it up to their last high from 2000. This is over 7 years, which is the longest time they have had without growth since the 1930&#8217;s. If you invest globablly or in the US, they are definitely not over-heated.</p>
<p>Leverage is a very effective strategy if done right and invested effectively, so it is smart to minimize your exposure to over-heated markets. At the moment, I would suggest keeping your Canadian equities to a max of 25%.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Causalien</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/myths-about-leveraging-into-equities-part-2.htm/comment-page-1#comment-6225</link>
		<dc:creator>Causalien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;ve actually did a spreadsheet analysis of the smith maneuver a.k.a leveraging your equities. Can everyone take a look and see if any of the numbers are off, or if my calculations are wrong somewhere?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ultracrepidate.com/?p=1080&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ultracrepidate.com/?p=1080&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;ve actually did a spreadsheet analysis of the smith maneuver a.k.a leveraging your equities. Can everyone take a look and see if any of the numbers are off, or if my calculations are wrong somewhere?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ultracrepidate.com/?p=1080" rel="nofollow">http://www.ultracrepidate.com/?p=1080</a></p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi ed,

do you believe in leveraging at this point..with the markets overheated......

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi ed,</p>
<p>do you believe in leveraging at this point..with the markets overheated&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Rempel</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/myths-about-leveraging-into-equities-part-2.htm/comment-page-1#comment-5951</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Rempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi CC &amp; Mike,

Proper investment theory states that the best way to increase returns is to stick with sound investments and then leverage them. This is an important concept and a big part of why I am such a believer in leverage as a strategy.

Your quote is exactly why leverage is a good strategy: &quot;You hope to make a greater return by assuming a higher risk. You can do the same thing without leverage by investing your entire portfolio in small-cap value stocks. Or you can assume even more risks by buying lottery tickets or looking for penny stocks on the Venture exchange. Yeah, you are taking risks, but the rewards… 

Investing in more risky investments is much less likely to work than leveraging into sound investments. In fact, it is a common myth thatt more risky markets have higher returns. I&#039;ll explain this in my next 2 articles posted this Thursday and next.

The broad markets and top fund managers tend to have reasonalby predictable returns in the long run, and leveraging into them provides higher returns with a reasonable risk generally. This is unlike buying high risk sectors, penny stocks or lottery tickets that are far less predictable, even in the long run.




Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi CC &amp; Mike,</p>
<p>Proper investment theory states that the best way to increase returns is to stick with sound investments and then leverage them. This is an important concept and a big part of why I am such a believer in leverage as a strategy.</p>
<p>Your quote is exactly why leverage is a good strategy: &#8220;You hope to make a greater return by assuming a higher risk. You can do the same thing without leverage by investing your entire portfolio in small-cap value stocks. Or you can assume even more risks by buying lottery tickets or looking for penny stocks on the Venture exchange. Yeah, you are taking risks, but the rewards… </p>
<p>Investing in more risky investments is much less likely to work than leveraging into sound investments. In fact, it is a common myth thatt more risky markets have higher returns. I&#8217;ll explain this in my next 2 articles posted this Thursday and next.</p>
<p>The broad markets and top fund managers tend to have reasonalby predictable returns in the long run, and leveraging into them provides higher returns with a reasonable risk generally. This is unlike buying high risk sectors, penny stocks or lottery tickets that are far less predictable, even in the long run.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
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		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get the concept, and it interests me, especially since our mortgage will be gone soon and we don&#039;t need/want the money for life-style.
Was thinking we would just start putting that monthly amount into our investment account.
What are the specifics of, or where could I find more, about actually incorporating leverage into our plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get the concept, and it interests me, especially since our mortgage will be gone soon and we don&#8217;t need/want the money for life-style.<br />
Was thinking we would just start putting that monthly amount into our investment account.<br />
What are the specifics of, or where could I find more, about actually incorporating leverage into our plan.</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/myths-about-leveraging-into-equities-part-2.htm/comment-page-1#comment-5535</link>
		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 10:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi FP,
the post is now ready:
http://www.thefinancialblogger.com/?p=62
Comments are welcome.
Cheers,
FB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi FP,<br />
the post is now ready:<br />
<a href="http://www.thefinancialblogger.com/?p=62" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefinancialblogger.com/?p=62</a><br />
Comments are welcome.<br />
Cheers,<br />
FB.</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger &#187; Compound Interest VS Interest Risk</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger &#187; Compound Interest VS Interest Risk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 10:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Causalien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Causalien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 02:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canadian Capitalist: I remember previous discussions about using home equity line to invest in a higher return fund.  So my question is this: Is borrowing to payoff your mortgage considered, and I quote from the revenue agency &quot;for the purpose of earning income from a business or property&quot;. 

That&#039;d just be too easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canadian Capitalist: I remember previous discussions about using home equity line to invest in a higher return fund.  So my question is this: Is borrowing to payoff your mortgage considered, and I quote from the revenue agency &#8220;for the purpose of earning income from a business or property&#8221;. </p>
<p>That&#8217;d just be too easy.</p>
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		<title>By: FourPillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>FourPillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 23:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FB, I&#039;m planning a similar post but not for a few weeks.

I never said that interest rate exposure was exclusive to investments loans.  Anyone is who borrowing money for any reason should think about interest rate risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FB, I&#8217;m planning a similar post but not for a few weeks.</p>
<p>I never said that interest rate exposure was exclusive to investments loans.  Anyone is who borrowing money for any reason should think about interest rate risk.</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/myths-about-leveraging-into-equities-part-2.htm/comment-page-1#comment-5511</link>
		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 21:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi FourPillars,

In regards to the interest risk, I&#039;ll write a full post for tomorrow on my site : http://www.thefinancialblogger.com
because I think your point deserve a full explanation.

As in regards to being unemployed for a long period of time, I pretty sure most individuals will buy a house and get a mortgage knowing that they could lose their job one day. If it ever happens, you have much higher risk to lose your house than losing with investments.

If you ever need more cashflow, you simply cash in your funds and pay off your loans. It is not that simple with a mortage and people are still buying properties.

There are always uncontrolable factors in life that can mix up your plan. However, you have to live on and hope they won&#039;t happen to you at the same time!
FB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi FourPillars,</p>
<p>In regards to the interest risk, I&#8217;ll write a full post for tomorrow on my site : <a href="http://www.thefinancialblogger.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefinancialblogger.com</a><br />
because I think your point deserve a full explanation.</p>
<p>As in regards to being unemployed for a long period of time, I pretty sure most individuals will buy a house and get a mortgage knowing that they could lose their job one day. If it ever happens, you have much higher risk to lose your house than losing with investments.</p>
<p>If you ever need more cashflow, you simply cash in your funds and pay off your loans. It is not that simple with a mortage and people are still buying properties.</p>
<p>There are always uncontrolable factors in life that can mix up your plan. However, you have to live on and hope they won&#8217;t happen to you at the same time!<br />
FB.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/myths-about-leveraging-into-equities-part-2.htm/comment-page-1#comment-5498</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 17:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Causalien: Let&#039;s say you liquidate your portfolio after one year. How much return should you earn to break even? It&#039;s $36. But you also have to pay capital gains, which is typically 50% of your marginal rate. So if you earned X% and paid 20% of it in taxes and you broke even and you solve this equation - X - 0.2 * X = 36 - you&#039;ll get 4.5%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Causalien: Let&#8217;s say you liquidate your portfolio after one year. How much return should you earn to break even? It&#8217;s $36. But you also have to pay capital gains, which is typically 50% of your marginal rate. So if you earned X% and paid 20% of it in taxes and you broke even and you solve this equation &#8211; X &#8211; 0.2 * X = 36 &#8211; you&#8217;ll get 4.5%.</p>
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		<title>By: FourPillars</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/myths-about-leveraging-into-equities-part-2.htm/comment-page-1#comment-5497</link>
		<dc:creator>FourPillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 16:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you leverage over a long term period (as you should never leverage for short term), the only risk you have is yourself!&quot;

FB - what happens if the borrowing rate goes from 6% to 12%?  What happens if you are unemployed for a long period of time?  Are those not risks to consider as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you leverage over a long term period (as you should never leverage for short term), the only risk you have is yourself!&#8221;</p>
<p>FB &#8211; what happens if the borrowing rate goes from 6% to 12%?  What happens if you are unemployed for a long period of time?  Are those not risks to consider as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Causalien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Causalien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 16:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I have a question for you.
In point #5, you mentioned that you only need a 4.5% return to break even after one year. Can you expand on the calculation which went into finding this figure?

For example, if I borrowed 1000 at prime rate. After a year, I have to pay $60 interest. If I deduct that for tax and say I am taxed at 40%, it means that I get $24 back? So the effective interest I paid was $36. I am sure I made a mistake somewhere since it&#039;s not the same number as the one you arrived at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I have a question for you.<br />
In point #5, you mentioned that you only need a 4.5% return to break even after one year. Can you expand on the calculation which went into finding this figure?</p>
<p>For example, if I borrowed 1000 at prime rate. After a year, I have to pay $60 interest. If I deduct that for tax and say I am taxed at 40%, it means that I get $24 back? So the effective interest I paid was $36. I am sure I made a mistake somewhere since it&#8217;s not the same number as the one you arrived at.</p>
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		<title>By: ThickenMyWallet</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThickenMyWallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 15:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to point 5, although the investment loan is 100% tax deductible, in the event that your investment is yeilding less than the interest, you end up in a negative cash flow position every month  until you file a tax return and get a potential refund. That may be a long time to be a negative cash flow position monthly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to point 5, although the investment loan is 100% tax deductible, in the event that your investment is yeilding less than the interest, you end up in a negative cash flow position every month  until you file a tax return and get a potential refund. That may be a long time to be a negative cash flow position monthly.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 14:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have any studies backing up your claim that an average Canadian needs $1-$1.5m to retire? I recently read a study that based on StatsCan data concludes that average Canadians need far less.

Like I pointed out in my comment on the first post, leverage is not a free lunch. You hope to make a greater return by assuming a higher risk. You can do the same thing without leverage by investing your entire portfolio in small-cap value stocks. Or you can assume even more risks by buying lottery tickets or looking for penny stocks on the Venture exchange. Yeah, you are taking risks, but the rewards...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have any studies backing up your claim that an average Canadian needs $1-$1.5m to retire? I recently read a study that based on StatsCan data concludes that average Canadians need far less.</p>
<p>Like I pointed out in my comment on the first post, leverage is not a free lunch. You hope to make a greater return by assuming a higher risk. You can do the same thing without leverage by investing your entire portfolio in small-cap value stocks. Or you can assume even more risks by buying lottery tickets or looking for penny stocks on the Venture exchange. Yeah, you are taking risks, but the rewards&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 12:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you leverage over a long term period (as you should never leverage for short term), the only risk you have is yourself! Most individuals become very emotional regarding their own finance and investment. They do stupid things without thinking about what is going down. They see the market going up, they buy. When it&#039;s dropping they sell... Quite tough to make money out of this strategy!

By investing in blue chips, dividend stocks and market index, you minimize your risk and still can hope to reach 7%-8% a year. In fact, you need less than 6% yield (prime rate) to make money out of leveraging.
FB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you leverage over a long term period (as you should never leverage for short term), the only risk you have is yourself! Most individuals become very emotional regarding their own finance and investment. They do stupid things without thinking about what is going down. They see the market going up, they buy. When it&#8217;s dropping they sell&#8230; Quite tough to make money out of this strategy!</p>
<p>By investing in blue chips, dividend stocks and market index, you minimize your risk and still can hope to reach 7%-8% a year. In fact, you need less than 6% yield (prime rate) to make money out of leveraging.<br />
FB.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 11:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;4. Leverage always increases risks&lt;/i&gt;

To say this is a myth is just not true.  The whole point of leverage is to increase risk in order to increase the potential return (positive or negative).  I&#039;ll agree that most people don&#039;t understand exactly how much risk is involved in leveraging but there is always some.

Another thing is that you never mention interest rate risk which is one of the basic risks with long term borrowing.  The risk from rising interest rates is less on investment loans than on normal debt because of the tax write-off but it still exists.  Before leveraging, the investor should calculate how much their potential payments will be in the future if rates go up by 2%,4%,6% etc.  This way they can determine an appropriate amount (if any) to borrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>4. Leverage always increases risks</i></p>
<p>To say this is a myth is just not true.  The whole point of leverage is to increase risk in order to increase the potential return (positive or negative).  I&#8217;ll agree that most people don&#8217;t understand exactly how much risk is involved in leveraging but there is always some.</p>
<p>Another thing is that you never mention interest rate risk which is one of the basic risks with long term borrowing.  The risk from rising interest rates is less on investment loans than on normal debt because of the tax write-off but it still exists.  Before leveraging, the investor should calculate how much their potential payments will be in the future if rates go up by 2%,4%,6% etc.  This way they can determine an appropriate amount (if any) to borrow.</p>
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