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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Steven, I&#039;ve made that spelling error in a good few of my old posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Steven, I&#8217;ve made that spelling error in a good few of my old posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be spelled as &quot;principal&quot; in this context. Check your local dictionary or dictionary.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be spelled as &#8220;principal&#8221; in this context. Check your local dictionary or dictionary.com.</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kay/Kathryn,

The principal reason for correctly spelling &#039;principal&#039; is that those individuals (and I&#039;m not sure if they are in the minority or not) went to school where the principal had many cherished principles - principal among them was gooder grammar and korrect speling.

Or, there is an accepted principle that to reduce your mortgage balance quickly, divert a principal portion of discretionary income towards the principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kay/Kathryn,</p>
<p>The principal reason for correctly spelling &#8216;principal&#8217; is that those individuals (and I&#8217;m not sure if they are in the minority or not) went to school where the principal had many cherished principles &#8211; principal among them was gooder grammar and korrect speling.</p>
<p>Or, there is an accepted principle that to reduce your mortgage balance quickly, divert a principal portion of discretionary income towards the principle.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected.  It&#039;s a mistake I was making too!  The correct spelling for monetary principle is &#039;principal&#039; so it should read &#039;The Guarantee of Principal&#039;.  

http://www.grammarmudge.cityslide.com/articles/article/992333/8562.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected.  It&#8217;s a mistake I was making too!  The correct spelling for monetary principle is &#8216;principal&#8217; so it should read &#8216;The Guarantee of Principal&#8217;.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.grammarmudge.cityslide.com/articles/article/992333/8562.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.grammarmudge.cityslide.com/articles/article/992333/8562.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kay:  I hate to break it to you but &#039;principal&#039; is an adjective that means primary and is most often used to describe the principal of a school. 

Principle is a noun which means a general truth or assumption.  

FT used the correct spelling.  So many people spell it this way because they are right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kay:  I hate to break it to you but &#8216;principal&#8217; is an adjective that means primary and is most often used to describe the principal of a school. </p>
<p>Principle is a noun which means a general truth or assumption.  </p>
<p>FT used the correct spelling.  So many people spell it this way because they are right!</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word Principle is spelt PRINCIPAL. Why do so many people always make this mistake? thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word Principle is spelt PRINCIPAL. Why do so many people always make this mistake? thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Brodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Brodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi c-drive,

&quot;The benefits are not worth the added expense. There hasn’t been a 10 year period in the history of the NA equity markets where the protection criteria would prove to be valuable.&quot;

Welcome to the first time in North American history where the protection criteria was valuable.  

Frugal Trader

Manulife has the 75 series which generally has MERs within the 2-3 range.  They are usually not more than 30 bps higher than a mutual fund.

If you need some protection, it is not such an extortionate fee.

Thanks,
Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi c-drive,</p>
<p>&#8220;The benefits are not worth the added expense. There hasn’t been a 10 year period in the history of the NA equity markets where the protection criteria would prove to be valuable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Welcome to the first time in North American history where the protection criteria was valuable.  </p>
<p>Frugal Trader</p>
<p>Manulife has the 75 series which generally has MERs within the 2-3 range.  They are usually not more than 30 bps higher than a mutual fund.</p>
<p>If you need some protection, it is not such an extortionate fee.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Carl</p>
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		<title>By: c-drive</title>
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		<dc:creator>c-drive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garbage products.  The benefits are not worth the added expense.  There hasn&#039;t been a 10 year period in the history of the NA equity markets where the protection criteria would prove to be valuable.  Not to mention that it&#039;s even worse for money market, income and balanced seg funds.  

Index funds provide an MER of 1% and no fees or comissions with all the growth potential.

If you value creditor protection above all, you&#039;re a loser anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garbage products.  The benefits are not worth the added expense.  There hasn&#8217;t been a 10 year period in the history of the NA equity markets where the protection criteria would prove to be valuable.  Not to mention that it&#8217;s even worse for money market, income and balanced seg funds.  </p>
<p>Index funds provide an MER of 1% and no fees or comissions with all the growth potential.</p>
<p>If you value creditor protection above all, you&#8217;re a loser anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: Thicken My Wallet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 5 Investment Products I Avoid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thicken My Wallet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 5 Investment Products I Avoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] These are basically mutual funds which are offered by insurance companies. The funds are insurance products so they have the advantages of creditor proofing (creditors cannot attack insurance contracts in most cases but there are exemptions), estate planning (no probate is paid by the estate) and principal protection (if the funds are held for a certain period of time). Million Dollar Journey gives a more detailed summary on segregated funds. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] These are basically mutual funds which are offered by insurance companies. The funds are insurance products so they have the advantages of creditor proofing (creditors cannot attack insurance contracts in most cases but there are exemptions), estate planning (no probate is paid by the estate) and principal protection (if the funds are held for a certain period of time). Million Dollar Journey gives a more detailed summary on segregated funds. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: aurora</title>
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		<dc:creator>aurora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t compare straight seg funds (also called annuities, or variable annuity contracts) with the investment portion of a Universal Life policy in terms of fees. The UL&#039;s are much higher. There are seg funds that have MER&#039;s of 2.1% for with 75% guarantee for instance. And that is with 90% equity holdings, 10% guaranteed securities - plus automatic re-balancing over the years (80-20, 70-30, etc.) which makes sense when it&#039;s an RRSP account. Legally speaking, the investment portion of a UL is in fact a type of annuity. Upon death the beneficiary gets the life insurance proceeds as well as the investment portion tax free, however all of the income tax is collected by the government beforehand in case of an RRSP account. The remainder is probate and/or capital gains free, unlike a non-annuity investment (i.e. mutual fund, GIC, property, etc.) which can incur probate and/or capital gains. Only RRSP accounts transferred to the spouse avoid capital gains and the subtraction of income tax. The subject of UL requires special attention because of the nature of the product. One must understand each in detail in order to draw comparisons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t compare straight seg funds (also called annuities, or variable annuity contracts) with the investment portion of a Universal Life policy in terms of fees. The UL&#8217;s are much higher. There are seg funds that have MER&#8217;s of 2.1% for with 75% guarantee for instance. And that is with 90% equity holdings, 10% guaranteed securities &#8211; plus automatic re-balancing over the years (80-20, 70-30, etc.) which makes sense when it&#8217;s an RRSP account. Legally speaking, the investment portion of a UL is in fact a type of annuity. Upon death the beneficiary gets the life insurance proceeds as well as the investment portion tax free, however all of the income tax is collected by the government beforehand in case of an RRSP account. The remainder is probate and/or capital gains free, unlike a non-annuity investment (i.e. mutual fund, GIC, property, etc.) which can incur probate and/or capital gains. Only RRSP accounts transferred to the spouse avoid capital gains and the subtraction of income tax. The subject of UL requires special attention because of the nature of the product. One must understand each in detail in order to draw comparisons.</p>
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		<title>By: blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once FA commented they are poor investment vehicle. If you do need to invest in Seg Funds, make sure it is an equity based high performance fund. Getting insurance for bond or stable value fund does not make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once FA commented they are poor investment vehicle. If you do need to invest in Seg Funds, make sure it is an equity based high performance fund. Getting insurance for bond or stable value fund does not make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Universal Life Insurance - Part 2 - Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Universal Life Insurance - Part 2 - Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Most of the investments are &#8220;segregated funds&#8221;, which are insurance mutual funds that charge .5-1% higher MER&#8217;s each [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Most of the investments are &ldquo;segregated funds&rdquo;, which are insurance mutual funds that charge .5-1% higher MER&rsquo;s each [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 21:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as there is a &quot;potential&quot; for your fund to pay dividends ie. holding stock, then you can deduct the interest.  Probably better to talk to an accountant first though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as there is a &#8220;potential&#8221; for your fund to pay dividends ie. holding stock, then you can deduct the interest.  Probably better to talk to an accountant first though.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m told by my financial advisor that I can deduct the interest payed on a segregated leveraged $80,000 loan against my current tax year&#039;s income. (line 232 &quot;other deductable amounts&quot;)

I&#039;m told by a revenue Canada agent (who seemed to know about as much as I did) reading line 221 in the tax guide which says &quot;However, if the only earnings your investment can produce are capital gains, you cannot claim the interest you paid.

Sure pray for a good answer here! (and thanks!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m told by my financial advisor that I can deduct the interest payed on a segregated leveraged $80,000 loan against my current tax year&#8217;s income. (line 232 &#8220;other deductable amounts&#8221;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m told by a revenue Canada agent (who seemed to know about as much as I did) reading line 221 in the tax guide which says &#8220;However, if the only earnings your investment can produce are capital gains, you cannot claim the interest you paid.</p>
<p>Sure pray for a good answer here! (and thanks!)</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Jungle - &#187; The 5 Gremlins Of Market Growth GIC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Jungle - &#187; The 5 Gremlins Of Market Growth GIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 06:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Further readings: - TD Canada Trust Market Growth GIC. - How Segregated Funds Protect Your Investments (CI) - How segregated funds work (Million Dollar Journey) [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Further readings: &#8211; TD Canada Trust Market Growth GIC. &#8211; How Segregated Funds Protect Your Investments (CI) &#8211; How segregated funds work (Million Dollar Journey) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: florch</title>
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		<dc:creator>florch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 03:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mike, of course you are right.  I should have talked to my source to clarify my post.

The point of the second level beneficiary was that if you and your spouse are hit by a bus at the same time, there would be a beneficiary (IE your kids) outside of probate. TD had no provision for this. Our wills are clear on this but in order to keep this outside of the estate you would need this provision.

Sorry for the vagueness of the first post, and thanks for the replies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike, of course you are right.  I should have talked to my source to clarify my post.</p>
<p>The point of the second level beneficiary was that if you and your spouse are hit by a bus at the same time, there would be a beneficiary (IE your kids) outside of probate. TD had no provision for this. Our wills are clear on this but in order to keep this outside of the estate you would need this provision.</p>
<p>Sorry for the vagueness of the first post, and thanks for the replies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 01:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>florch - Thanks - I do. I’m sure that applies to non-RRSP as well then.

It doesn&#039;t apply to non-RRSP.  It&#039;s only RRSP accounts where you can name a beneficiary.  I would assume that non-rrsp $$ goes through probate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>florch &#8211; Thanks &#8211; I do. I’m sure that applies to non-RRSP as well then.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t apply to non-RRSP.  It&#8217;s only RRSP accounts where you can name a beneficiary.  I would assume that non-rrsp $$ goes through probate.</p>
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		<title>By: ezboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ezboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT:&quot;Wolf: Some segregated funds allow you to “lock in” your gains a certain number of times / year. This feature though, will most likely make your fund even more expensive.&quot;

FT, lock-in your gains usually do not make the fund more expensive. The way it works is that it reset your guarantee for another 10 years. For example, if you purchase a fund for $10,000 this year, three years from now, the market price of the fund grows to $12,000. If you decide to lock-in the gain, the $12,000 principal protection applies to 13 years from now. As you can see, you don&#039;t really gain any extra protection by locking in your gain, so no extra fee should be charged.

EZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT:&#8221;Wolf: Some segregated funds allow you to “lock in” your gains a certain number of times / year. This feature though, will most likely make your fund even more expensive.&#8221;</p>
<p>FT, lock-in your gains usually do not make the fund more expensive. The way it works is that it reset your guarantee for another 10 years. For example, if you purchase a fund for $10,000 this year, three years from now, the market price of the fund grows to $12,000. If you decide to lock-in the gain, the $12,000 principal protection applies to 13 years from now. As you can see, you don&#8217;t really gain any extra protection by locking in your gain, so no extra fee should be charged.</p>
<p>EZ</p>
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		<title>By: florch</title>
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		<dc:creator>florch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks - I do.  I&#039;m sure that applies to non-RRSP as well then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8211; I do.  I&#8217;m sure that applies to non-RRSP as well then.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 10:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florch,  You can only bypass probate on your RRSP if you pass the proceeds to your spouse.  Just make sure that you have your spouse named as your beneficiary on your account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florch,  You can only bypass probate on your RRSP if you pass the proceeds to your spouse.  Just make sure that you have your spouse named as your beneficiary on your account.</p>
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