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	<title>Comments on: DIY Smith Manoeuvre II &#8211; The Readvanceable Mortgages</title>
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		<title>By: Jan 2010 Net Worth Update (+4.43) &#124; Finance Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/diy-smith-manoeuvre-ii-the-readvancable-mortgages.htm/comment-page-2#comment-109981</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan 2010 Net Worth Update (+4.43) &#124; Finance Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $23,700.00 [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $23,700.00 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jan 2010 Net Worth Update (+4.43) &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan 2010 Net Worth Update (+4.43) &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $23,700.00 [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $23,700.00 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dec 2009 Net Worth Update (+2.11%) &#8211; Year End Summary &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/diy-smith-manoeuvre-ii-the-readvancable-mortgages.htm/comment-page-2#comment-108933</link>
		<dc:creator>Dec 2009 Net Worth Update (+2.11%) &#8211; Year End Summary &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $25,200.00 [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $25,200.00 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nov 2009 Net Worth Update (+1.65%) &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/diy-smith-manoeuvre-ii-the-readvancable-mortgages.htm/comment-page-2#comment-107709</link>
		<dc:creator>Nov 2009 Net Worth Update (+1.65%) &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $26,800.00 [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $26,800.00 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Oct 2009 Net Worth Update (+1.58%): Halloween Edition &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/diy-smith-manoeuvre-ii-the-readvancable-mortgages.htm/comment-page-2#comment-106642</link>
		<dc:creator>Oct 2009 Net Worth Update (+1.58%): Halloween Edition &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $29,200.00 [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $29,200.00 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sept 2009 Net Worth Update (+2.78%) &#8211; Pension Buy Back Edition &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sept 2009 Net Worth Update (+2.78%) &#8211; Pension Buy Back Edition &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $30,700.00 [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Residence Mortgage (readvanceable): $30,700.00 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Converting a Principal Residence into a Rental Property &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/diy-smith-manoeuvre-ii-the-readvancable-mortgages.htm/comment-page-2#comment-103791</link>
		<dc:creator>Converting a Principal Residence into a Rental Property &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What&#8217;s the right way to do it?  Here&#8217;s my opinion -  If you plan from the beginning that the house is going to be a rental when you move in future, then I would personally pay as little as possible on the mortgage throughout the years of living there, and save the difference as cash.  The accumulated cash will serve as a down payment on the future new residence, leaving the rental mortgage untouched and converted to a tax deductible mortgage. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] What&#8217;s the right way to do it?  Here&#8217;s my opinion -  If you plan from the beginning that the house is going to be a rental when you move in future, then I would personally pay as little as possible on the mortgage throughout the years of living there, and save the difference as cash.  The accumulated cash will serve as a down payment on the future new residence, leaving the rental mortgage untouched and converted to a tax deductible mortgage. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Deductible Mortgage Plan (TDMP) - Worth It? &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tax Deductible Mortgage Plan (TDMP) - Worth It? &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in leveraging their home to invest to hand off the whole setup.  That is, TDMP will arrange the readvanceable mortgage, investment account/investments along with arranging payments, and mortgage pay down.  [...]</description>
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<p>[...] in leveraging their home to invest to hand off the whole setup.  That is, TDMP will arrange the readvanceable mortgage, investment account/investments along with arranging payments, and mortgage pay down.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leveraged RRSP vs The Smith Manoeuvre &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leveraged RRSP vs The Smith Manoeuvre &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 10:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] instead of a non-registered portfolio (like the Smith Manoeuvre).  Here is the question: I have a readvanceable mortgage - Take your equity out as you pay your mortgage (max payment you can afford like in SM), and invest [...]</description>
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<p>[...] instead of a non-registered portfolio (like the Smith Manoeuvre).  Here is the question: I have a readvanceable mortgage &#8211; Take your equity out as you pay your mortgage (max payment you can afford like in SM), and invest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Smith Maneouvre during a Market Crash &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Smith Maneouvre during a Market Crash &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] With current market conditions, it&#8217;s a gut check to see who can really take the leveraged investing heat.  With the possibility of HELOC (home equity line of credit) rates, which are traditionally at prime, to increase above prime, it will make this strategy even more expensive.  However, with a slow economy, the prime lending rates will most likely decrease even further, which will hopefully even out any increases.  With that said, The Smith Manoeuvre strategy is still a valid option, just with one less readvanceable mortgage available along with the potential with higher HELOC rates.  For those of you looking for alternative readvanceable mortgages, here are some of my other favorites. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] With current market conditions, it&#8217;s a gut check to see who can really take the leveraged investing heat.  With the possibility of HELOC (home equity line of credit) rates, which are traditionally at prime, to increase above prime, it will make this strategy even more expensive.  However, with a slow economy, the prime lending rates will most likely decrease even further, which will hopefully even out any increases.  With that said, The Smith Manoeuvre strategy is still a valid option, just with one less readvanceable mortgage available along with the potential with higher HELOC rates.  For those of you looking for alternative readvanceable mortgages, here are some of my other favorites. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Difference Between Good Debt and Bad Debt &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Difference Between Good Debt and Bad Debt &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Investment Loan - For example, with the Smith Manoeuvre, the HELOC interest on a readvanceable mortgage is 100% tax deductible providing that the HELOC is invested in income producing [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Investment Loan &#8211; For example, with the Smith Manoeuvre, the HELOC interest on a readvanceable mortgage is 100% tax deductible providing that the HELOC is invested in income producing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Rempel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Rempel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

If you don&#039;t have the 20% down, you will probably have to pay a large CMHC fee to get the mortgage. If you can avoid that, you should borrow the $10K elsewhere and then you may as well also get the Readiline.



Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have the 20% down, you will probably have to pay a large CMHC fee to get the mortgage. If you can avoid that, you should borrow the $10K elsewhere and then you may as well also get the Readiline.</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, here&#039;s something to think about.  Even if you manage to get 20% down, there will be $0 available in the HELOC anyways.  If you can get a better rate elsewhere, go with that.  Then, when you have more equity, switch to a readvanceable mortgage.

That&#039;s my opinion anyways.

FT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, here&#8217;s something to think about.  Even if you manage to get 20% down, there will be $0 available in the HELOC anyways.  If you can get a better rate elsewhere, go with that.  Then, when you have more equity, switch to a readvanceable mortgage.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my opinion anyways.</p>
<p>FT</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a first time home buyer looking closely at the BMO Readiline.  I am looking to purchase a home around 240,000. 20% of this is 48k but I only have 38k to put down.  Is it wise to borrow the extra 10k now and enter the readiline or should I start with a different mortgage plan and make payments on the mortgage until I own 20% and then convert to the readiline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a first time home buyer looking closely at the BMO Readiline.  I am looking to purchase a home around 240,000. 20% of this is 48k but I only have 38k to put down.  Is it wise to borrow the extra 10k now and enter the readiline or should I start with a different mortgage plan and make payments on the mortgage until I own 20% and then convert to the readiline?</p>
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		<title>By: DAvid</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAvid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cannon_fodder,
    Quite the opposite, actually. We were just over 2 years into our 4.99% mortgage; both prime and 5 year rates had climbed with Prime at about 5.75% and 5 year rates at about 6.5%.  Rates were clearly continuing to climb at that time (Prime plateaued at 6% shortly after). The bank simply transferred our current mortgage into the Homeline product. We did have to pay notary fees to register the HELOC. RBC Product seems more like a wrap account -- you can hold ANY of their mortgage products on the mortgage side. So I guess they don&#039;t consider the Homeline a mortgage in the normal sense, but rather a &#039;package&#039; or packaging of products.

I would not have entered into the Homeline if there were any penalties or other costs that would not have been charged at renewal. Since I would have had to register the Homeline in any case, it was not an additional cost (though I would have liked the bank to absorb it!)

DAvid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cannon_fodder,<br />
    Quite the opposite, actually. We were just over 2 years into our 4.99% mortgage; both prime and 5 year rates had climbed with Prime at about 5.75% and 5 year rates at about 6.5%.  Rates were clearly continuing to climb at that time (Prime plateaued at 6% shortly after). The bank simply transferred our current mortgage into the Homeline product. We did have to pay notary fees to register the HELOC. RBC Product seems more like a wrap account &#8212; you can hold ANY of their mortgage products on the mortgage side. So I guess they don&#8217;t consider the Homeline a mortgage in the normal sense, but rather a &#8216;package&#8217; or packaging of products.</p>
<p>I would not have entered into the Homeline if there were any penalties or other costs that would not have been charged at renewal. Since I would have had to register the Homeline in any case, it was not an additional cost (though I would have liked the bank to absorb it!)</p>
<p>DAvid</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAvid,

If I was a bank and you had a 5 year closed mortgage at an interest rate that was pretty close to prime, it looked like prime was close to its trough and about to resume an upward movement again, I would have no problem (i.e. no penalty) with moving you to another CLOSED variable rate mortgage of at least the length of time left in your current mortgage.

Is that what happened in your scenario?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAvid,</p>
<p>If I was a bank and you had a 5 year closed mortgage at an interest rate that was pretty close to prime, it looked like prime was close to its trough and about to resume an upward movement again, I would have no problem (i.e. no penalty) with moving you to another CLOSED variable rate mortgage of at least the length of time left in your current mortgage.</p>
<p>Is that what happened in your scenario?</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello David,

I actually wrote a post on new features offered on HELOC earlier today:
http://www.thefinancialblogger.com/special-features-on-home-equity-line-of-credit-heloc/

One of the feature is to allow the client having more than 1 product included within his HELOC. Therefore, you are now able to have a fixed, a variable rate and a line of credit attached to your house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello David,</p>
<p>I actually wrote a post on new features offered on HELOC earlier today:<br />
<a href="http://www.thefinancialblogger.com/special-features-on-home-equity-line-of-credit-heloc/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefinancialblogger.com/special-features-on-home-equity-line-of-credit-heloc/</a></p>
<p>One of the feature is to allow the client having more than 1 product included within his HELOC. Therefore, you are now able to have a fixed, a variable rate and a line of credit attached to your house.</p>
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		<title>By: DAvid</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAvid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cannon_fodder said: &lt;i&gt;&quot;I’m a little closer to implementing the SM. I’m with BMO now and our 5 year closed mortgage ends in September. Since it is within a 90 day window, BMO would allow us to move into their ReadiLine product now.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Interesting; RBC allowed me to move my closed mortgage to their Homeline product without penalty.

Of further interest is Moshe Milevsky, the York University professor who earlier published the document praising variable rates over fixed rates. He now promotes a very different strategy: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Mortal minds cannot predict the credit markets. We don’t know what the yield curve will do next month. The sensible approach is therefore to have some fixed-rate debt, some variable-rate debt, some long-term and some-short term. Assets are commonly diversified, so why not debt?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

How many mortgages allow product diversification where you can have a number of mortgages &amp; terms &amp; rates in the one account?

DAvid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cannon_fodder said: <i>&#8220;I’m a little closer to implementing the SM. I’m with BMO now and our 5 year closed mortgage ends in September. Since it is within a 90 day window, BMO would allow us to move into their ReadiLine product now.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Interesting; RBC allowed me to move my closed mortgage to their Homeline product without penalty.</p>
<p>Of further interest is Moshe Milevsky, the York University professor who earlier published the document praising variable rates over fixed rates. He now promotes a very different strategy: <i>&#8220;Mortal minds cannot predict the credit markets. We don’t know what the yield curve will do next month. The sensible approach is therefore to have some fixed-rate debt, some variable-rate debt, some long-term and some-short term. Assets are commonly diversified, so why not debt?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>How many mortgages allow product diversification where you can have a number of mortgages &amp; terms &amp; rates in the one account?</p>
<p>DAvid</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler,

Perhaps you should look at CTFS.  In person, there are only a few cities in Canada apparently that they are offering mortgages but online they seem to be able to offer them to anyone.  The last time I checked they were at P - 0.9 although the balance is compounded monthly.  You could also go for a fixed at 4.99% for a 5 year term which seems that it could work out better than a 3 year variable at P - 0.5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler,</p>
<p>Perhaps you should look at CTFS.  In person, there are only a few cities in Canada apparently that they are offering mortgages but online they seem to be able to offer them to anyone.  The last time I checked they were at P &#8211; 0.9 although the balance is compounded monthly.  You could also go for a fixed at 4.99% for a 5 year term which seems that it could work out better than a 3 year variable at P &#8211; 0.5.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hi CF,
Thanks for sharing your story. I am not so lucky to find a good rate on my upcoming mortgage. Harvinder send me an email to contact with BMO  mortgage specialist. I contacted her but never got any response. Anyway, I applied with a local BMO mortgage specialise and i only get prime - .5 for 3 year open. I am in Calgary btw. 

Tyler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi CF,<br />
Thanks for sharing your story. I am not so lucky to find a good rate on my upcoming mortgage. Harvinder send me an email to contact with BMO  mortgage specialist. I contacted her but never got any response. Anyway, I applied with a local BMO mortgage specialise and i only get prime &#8211; .5 for 3 year open. I am in Calgary btw. </p>
<p>Tyler</p>
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