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		<title>By: Susan Mladenovich, CMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Mladenovich, CMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about  donating corporate assets?  In that case the owner would be taxed on the value of the transferred asset.   This taxpayer is in the highest bracket in Ontario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about  donating corporate assets?  In that case the owner would be taxed on the value of the transferred asset.   This taxpayer is in the highest bracket in Ontario.</p>
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		<title>By: Erick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m approaching corporate year end, so I thought I&#039;d review this thread again before deciding whether to use corporate or personal funds to make a charitable donation.

A bit more googling turned up a great summary (for Ontario) that shows that in most cases, it&#039;s more tax-efficient to donate personally:

http://www.stewartkett.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/2009-02-01-individual-versus-corporate-donations.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m approaching corporate year end, so I thought I&#8217;d review this thread again before deciding whether to use corporate or personal funds to make a charitable donation.</p>
<p>A bit more googling turned up a great summary (for Ontario) that shows that in most cases, it&#8217;s more tax-efficient to donate personally:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stewartkett.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/2009-02-01-individual-versus-corporate-donations.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.stewartkett.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/2009-02-01-individual-versus-corporate-donations.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As pointed out, it depends on your situation. I have an active small corporation and pay myself personally via dividends. With my RSP contributions, basic exemption and the dividend tax credit and a few small personal donations, my personal tax rate is darned close to zero. So an extra personal donation achieves almost nothing for me. In my case far better to donate through my company, where it is worth approximately 15% as an expense.

BTW, the small business rate in Alberta is nominally around 15-16%, but this assumes no expenses. Personally my effective tax rate on the company (total taxes paid / total revenue) is around 11%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As pointed out, it depends on your situation. I have an active small corporation and pay myself personally via dividends. With my RSP contributions, basic exemption and the dividend tax credit and a few small personal donations, my personal tax rate is darned close to zero. So an extra personal donation achieves almost nothing for me. In my case far better to donate through my company, where it is worth approximately 15% as an expense.</p>
<p>BTW, the small business rate in Alberta is nominally around 15-16%, but this assumes no expenses. Personally my effective tax rate on the company (total taxes paid / total revenue) is around 11%.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/charitable-donations-within-a-corporation-or-personal.htm/comment-page-1#comment-81293</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few other issues to consider on the corporate side. First - you can only deduct charitable deductions from net income for tax purposes - if you are in a loss position, you can carry forward the deduction which reduces the value due to the PV.

Second - any expenses at the corporate level uses pre-personal tax dollars, whereas the personal payments are using after tax dollars - you need to consider the integration impact. Assume you took the money from a corporation (salary or dividend) and then made a personal donation. $100 earned in a corporation would yield you $60 after tax if paid as a salary , assuming a 40% personal tax rate (there would be a deduction for the corporation - so no corporate tax). If that $60 donation was made, there would be a credit of approximately 40% (assuming top marginal tax rate), providing a tax credit of $24 - leaving total tax of $16 and a donation of $60. The remaining $24 would be cash on your tax refund - which would potentailly be re-donated, etc. A similar effect would happen if a dividend was paid, with slightly different tax effects due to the brackets.

Alternatively, in the corporation the full $100 would not be taxed as it would be a deduction from net income for tax purposes. Therefore, the charity would receive the full $100, with no tax implications.

From the above - it&#039;s better to give from the corporation, as the charity gets more money (i.e. the full $100 vs the $60 in the first example), as you do not have to take it out of the corporation and pay. The $100 vs $60 is not exact - the $60 would need to be increased to account for the $24 in cash you are left with, which could be re-donated. That said, the $24 when you cycle it through will end up netting both situations to zero - in both cases you pay no tax if you are in the top marginal bracket.

Of course this assumes the taxpayer is in the top tax bracket and that more than $200 has been donated. For someone in a lower brack, the personal donations are likely better as the tax you pay on the salary would be at a lower rate (say 30%) vs the donation credit at the top marginal rate (say 40%). 

Every situation is different and will vary by province and individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few other issues to consider on the corporate side. First &#8211; you can only deduct charitable deductions from net income for tax purposes &#8211; if you are in a loss position, you can carry forward the deduction which reduces the value due to the PV.</p>
<p>Second &#8211; any expenses at the corporate level uses pre-personal tax dollars, whereas the personal payments are using after tax dollars &#8211; you need to consider the integration impact. Assume you took the money from a corporation (salary or dividend) and then made a personal donation. $100 earned in a corporation would yield you $60 after tax if paid as a salary , assuming a 40% personal tax rate (there would be a deduction for the corporation &#8211; so no corporate tax). If that $60 donation was made, there would be a credit of approximately 40% (assuming top marginal tax rate), providing a tax credit of $24 &#8211; leaving total tax of $16 and a donation of $60. The remaining $24 would be cash on your tax refund &#8211; which would potentailly be re-donated, etc. A similar effect would happen if a dividend was paid, with slightly different tax effects due to the brackets.</p>
<p>Alternatively, in the corporation the full $100 would not be taxed as it would be a deduction from net income for tax purposes. Therefore, the charity would receive the full $100, with no tax implications.</p>
<p>From the above &#8211; it&#8217;s better to give from the corporation, as the charity gets more money (i.e. the full $100 vs the $60 in the first example), as you do not have to take it out of the corporation and pay. The $100 vs $60 is not exact &#8211; the $60 would need to be increased to account for the $24 in cash you are left with, which could be re-donated. That said, the $24 when you cycle it through will end up netting both situations to zero &#8211; in both cases you pay no tax if you are in the top marginal bracket.</p>
<p>Of course this assumes the taxpayer is in the top tax bracket and that more than $200 has been donated. For someone in a lower brack, the personal donations are likely better as the tax you pay on the salary would be at a lower rate (say 30%) vs the donation credit at the top marginal rate (say 40%). </p>
<p>Every situation is different and will vary by province and individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a blurry line between whether its a personal or business donation when you have a sole proprietorship.  I looked at the CRA website and came across the following:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/t4002/t4002-e.html#P594_42484
Looking at T4002: Business and Professional Income from the CRA site, you&#039;ll see in Chapter 3:

&quot;Enter only the business part&quot; means that any of the following are not included as part of your expenses:
...{snip}
donations to charities and political contributions; 
..{snip}

So a charitable donation wouldn&#039;t be a tax deduction for the business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a blurry line between whether its a personal or business donation when you have a sole proprietorship.  I looked at the CRA website and came across the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/t4002/t4002-e.html#P594_42484" rel="nofollow">http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/t4002/t4002-e.html#P594_42484</a><br />
Looking at T4002: Business and Professional Income from the CRA site, you&#8217;ll see in Chapter 3:</p>
<p>&#8220;Enter only the business part&#8221; means that any of the following are not included as part of your expenses:<br />
&#8230;{snip}<br />
donations to charities and political contributions;<br />
..{snip}</p>
<p>So a charitable donation wouldn&#8217;t be a tax deduction for the business.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Finance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FP, you&#039;re right that the business &quot;expense&quot; giving you back 40%+ on the entire amount would be better. But as FT mentioned, the question for us might be if this is an allowed business expense for sole proprietorships?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FP, you&#8217;re right that the business &#8220;expense&#8221; giving you back 40%+ on the entire amount would be better. But as FT mentioned, the question for us might be if this is an allowed business expense for sole proprietorships?</p>
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		<title>By: Dividend Growth Investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividend Growth Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting debate. I would probably donate the money in order to minimize my taxes the most. It seems to me that donating individually versus donating from a corporation is better from a tax perspective..

However if you are really involved in the cause that you are donating into in the first place, maybe you wouldn&#039;t care as much about gaining as much as possible from the donation..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting debate. I would probably donate the money in order to minimize my taxes the most. It seems to me that donating individually versus donating from a corporation is better from a tax perspective..</p>
<p>However if you are really involved in the cause that you are donating into in the first place, maybe you wouldn&#8217;t care as much about gaining as much as possible from the donation..</p>
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		<title>By: cannon_fodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannon_fodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other factor is how much you intend to donate.  With the $200 personal limit on contributions at the lower MTR it is often wise for people who have a high MTR to accumulate charitable contributions until you are well in excess of the $200 figure.

Of course, you are allowed to pool contributions from you and your spouse to maximize the benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other factor is how much you intend to donate.  With the $200 personal limit on contributions at the lower MTR it is often wise for people who have a high MTR to accumulate charitable contributions until you are well in excess of the $200 figure.</p>
<p>Of course, you are allowed to pool contributions from you and your spouse to maximize the benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT - that&#039;s not my understanding but the fact is - I don&#039;t know.

Cam - I think you might be confused about how the progressive tax brackets work.  

I know if I can claim the donation through the business then I save the marginal tax rate (more than 40% for me).  From what I recall of tax forms it doesn&#039;t seem like charitable contributions save that much tax - or do they??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT &#8211; that&#8217;s not my understanding but the fact is &#8211; I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Cam &#8211; I think you might be confused about how the progressive tax brackets work.  </p>
<p>I know if I can claim the donation through the business then I save the marginal tax rate (more than 40% for me).  From what I recall of tax forms it doesn&#8217;t seem like charitable contributions save that much tax &#8211; or do they??</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion the Charitable Tax Credit is better than a Tax expense write off in all except a very small margin of people.  The only time an expense write off would be better than a credit at the top tax bracket would be if you were in the top bracket by a tiny amount and the expense write off brought you down a bracket.  But even then the credit would amount to the same amount of tax being paid in that top bracket and if you had any expense left over after pulling down a bracket it would have less effect, whereas the tax credit continues to have the same tax benefit regardless of the person or income.

In Alberta the situation is even better where the tax credit actually amounts to more than the top tax bracket with a 50% credit.  I can&#039;t figure out any way an expense would have a better return than that.

If your charitably minded at all, donations and the resulting tax benefits are a huge bonus.  If your seriously charitable you could take the extra tax bonus (especially in Alberta), that would be the amount of tax credit you receive in excess of the tax you would have paid on the amount, and put in into your giving for next year and keep reaping a larger and larger reward each year, both for your chosen charities as well as yourself from the joy of giving.  The best part is for those with somewhat limitied incomes thats a great way of increasing your giving without negatively affecting your well-being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion the Charitable Tax Credit is better than a Tax expense write off in all except a very small margin of people.  The only time an expense write off would be better than a credit at the top tax bracket would be if you were in the top bracket by a tiny amount and the expense write off brought you down a bracket.  But even then the credit would amount to the same amount of tax being paid in that top bracket and if you had any expense left over after pulling down a bracket it would have less effect, whereas the tax credit continues to have the same tax benefit regardless of the person or income.</p>
<p>In Alberta the situation is even better where the tax credit actually amounts to more than the top tax bracket with a 50% credit.  I can&#8217;t figure out any way an expense would have a better return than that.</p>
<p>If your charitably minded at all, donations and the resulting tax benefits are a huge bonus.  If your seriously charitable you could take the extra tax bonus (especially in Alberta), that would be the amount of tax credit you receive in excess of the tax you would have paid on the amount, and put in into your giving for next year and keep reaping a larger and larger reward each year, both for your chosen charities as well as yourself from the joy of giving.  The best part is for those with somewhat limitied incomes thats a great way of increasing your giving without negatively affecting your well-being.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalTrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrugalTrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FP, that&#039;s an interesting question.  For tax purposes, I assume that a sole proprietorship is treated as the person who owns the business.  Therefore, a charitable donation under the business would be treated as if you personally donated it and not as a business expense.

Can any tax people confirm this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FP, that&#8217;s an interesting question.  For tax purposes, I assume that a sole proprietorship is treated as the person who owns the business.  Therefore, a charitable donation under the business would be treated as if you personally donated it and not as a business expense.</p>
<p>Can any tax people confirm this?</p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny - I was going to send you an email about this topic - I don&#039;t have a corp - would I be better of making personal contributions (and getting the donation credit) or donating through the business - (no donation credit but then I can write it off).

I suspect that donating through the business is a better method.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny &#8211; I was going to send you an email about this topic &#8211; I don&#8217;t have a corp &#8211; would I be better of making personal contributions (and getting the donation credit) or donating through the business &#8211; (no donation credit but then I can write it off).</p>
<p>I suspect that donating through the business is a better method.</p>
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